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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 19 Jan 2011, 03:20
It would look better if her name was spelled right ... :/
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Post 19 Jan 2011, 03:43
Oops, thanks for pointing that out. I first saw it spelt 'Kollantai', so I guess it stuck. I also came across a dude who spelt Trotsky as 'Trotskii' :/
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Post 19 Jan 2011, 03:44
Well as far as I know Russian "o" is pronounced "a" in many cases (They actually said "Saviet", not "Soviet"), so it's not too far off the mark I guess.
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Post 19 Jan 2011, 05:26
Yeah, what happens is that in Russian, there are accented and unaccented syllables in a word, and while the accented ones sound exactly like what it's supposed to be, the unaccented ones sound a bit different. Like accented o = o, but unaccented o = ah, so soviet is pronounced "sahviet." Similarly, the Russian word for 1 is odin (which is pretty awesome), but pronounced "ahdin."

As for Trotsky/Trostkii, that's just a problem with transliteration. The ending with the y is the commonly accepted transliteration into English, but Trotsky's name in Russian is Троцкий = Trotskii. Either this person was going with the closest, most literal, letter-by-letter transliteration, or he didn't know how to transliterate, or it could have been an older way of doing it (but don't quote me on that last one).
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Post 19 Jan 2011, 06:07
I think they spell his name Trotski in 10 Days That Shook The World and when I was younger I kinda assumed that how it was spelled.
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Post 20 Jan 2011, 05:06
Transliteration doesn't have to have any relation to how the language sounds, it's just a way to write non-Latin-alphabet words in the Latin alphabet. Transliterised Russian does give a semblance of pronunciation, but not how it sounds to the Russian speaker. So transliteration can be however you want it to be.

Komissar_KW wrote:
Yeah, what happens is that in Russian, there are accented and unaccented syllables in a word, and while the accented ones sound exactly like what it's supposed to be, the unaccented ones sound a bit different. Like accented o = o, but unaccented o = ah, so soviet is pronounced "sahviet." Similarly, the Russian word for 1 is odin (which is pretty awesome), but pronounced "ahdin."


Technically, to bore the non-Russian speakers, "o" is pronounced like "ah" when it comes one syllable before a stressed syllable, and like "uh" anywhere else unstressed (ie, two syllables before or anywhere after). I'm sure you know that though, KW.

So I suppose Kollontai is pronounced "Kuh-lahn-tai", with stress on the last syllable.
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Post 26 Jan 2011, 14:59
Would Dagoth (or anyone) please correct my avatar
Since my digital art skills are somewhat crappy.

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Post 26 Jan 2011, 17:15
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"o" is pronounced like "ah" when it comes one syllable before a stressed syllable, and like "uh" anywhere else unstressed


can you re-write that in IPA? I'm not really sure I get the distinction here...
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Post 26 Jan 2011, 20:48
i think she wanted to say that "o" is sometimes pronounced as "ah" (usually the first "o" in the word like город (gorod) - gh-ah-roh-dh).
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Post 26 Jan 2011, 23:48
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Post 27 Jan 2011, 00:05
In the word "город" first "o" pronounced as "o" in "chore" (it is under stress). In the word "совет" (Soviet) "o" pronounced similar to "u" in the word "bus", for example (it isn't under stress).
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Post 27 Jan 2011, 00:19
possibly, my russian is a bit rusty, it was the first word that came to my mind

хорошо (horosho) however replaces first "o" with "a" however.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Sep 2009, 07:33
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Post 27 Jan 2011, 00:37
Kollontai in IPA: [kəlɐntaj]

/o/ and /a/ reduce to [ə] or [ɐ] when in unstressed position. [ɐ] occurs when /o/ or /a/ are in the syllable immediately before the stressed vowel or in word initial position. [ə] occurs everywhere else /o/ or /a/ reduce.

Город (gorod) in IPA: [gorət]

Cовет (sovjet) in IPA: [sɐvʲɛt]

Xорошо (khorosho) in IPA: [xərɐʂo]

I'm taking a course on Russian Phonetics this semester, so the knowledge about how and when vowels reduce, which vowels are used based on specific consonant environments and which consonants occur in which manner is becoming almost second nature. And, of course, all from the perspective of a linguistics major who's a stickler for IPA. I probably have Russian on my mind as much as I do English and German.
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Post 27 Jan 2011, 18:57
With stress symbols (you know, the apostrophe) please, otherwise this won't make sense for me. ;_; Sorry for getting on your nerves.

edit: no wait, i got it anyway. Thanks!
edit 2: yeah, all languages of the world should just adopt a simplified version of IPA. That would be SO awesome. I'd feel sorry for the hanzi though.
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Post 27 Jan 2011, 19:24
Oh, well, here they are with stress markings anyway:

' indicates stress and occurs just before the main stressed syllable. ˌ indicates weak stress, which occurs whenever there is a vowel in word initial position or one syllable before the main stressed syllable.

So note that Я and Ю would not be weak stressed in word-initial position, as they are in reality [ja] and [ju] when in word initial position, [j] being a consonant.

Kollontai in IPA: [kəˌlɐn'taj]

Город (gorod) in IPA: ['gorət]

Cовет (sovjet) in IPA: [ˌsɐ'vʲɛt]

Xорошо (khorosho) in IPA: [xəˌrɐ'ʂo]
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Post 31 Jan 2011, 22:41
Sovietise this:

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With the name "Derksen".

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Post 01 Feb 2011, 04:17
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Done.
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Post 01 Feb 2011, 09:50
hahaha frag yeah, Johan Derksen!

Can someone sovietize this other dutchie for me then? :

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With the name "Nico". Thanks in advance!
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Post 01 Feb 2011, 18:44
Ha, we'll have the best avatars of SE!
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Post 01 Feb 2011, 20:56
Ok and an other one please...


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