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French 2017 presidential election

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Aug 2010, 14:21
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Post 28 Nov 2016, 03:06
During the weekend, three important news regarding the French presidential election:

- Prime Minister Manuel Valls will probably decide to run in the primary election of the so-called Socialist Party and its satellites, even if President Hollande decides to run too.
- The French Communist Party has voted to support leftist leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon and his La France insoumise movement, thus disavowing the decision of the last Congress.
- François Fillon, Sarkozy's Prime Minister, will represent the conservative right. Fillon is a big fan of Thatcher and a friend of Putin.
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Post 28 Nov 2016, 05:03
I take it that Jean-Luc Mélenchon is sort of the French Bernie Sanders figure, whereas Manuel Valls is cast in the Bill/Hillary Clinton mold?
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Post 29 Nov 2016, 00:52
It's likely to end in Fillon vs. Le Pen, which is a disastrous match-up all around. Thatcherist vs. Neofascist. Fun times.
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Post 29 Nov 2016, 02:05
Damned depressing how, 100 years after the Dreyfuss case and two world wars, France would even think about electing a blatant anti-Semite.

Then again, look what we just did.

It's not even a case of "how soon they forget" if the lesson gets lost with the passing of the generation that learned it.
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Post 29 Nov 2016, 15:33
Fellow comrades, particularly those from France: could someone please provide me with a couple articles discussing Le Pen's 'neofascist' essence -and preferably from some leftist, non-mainstream sources please)? I mean I've seen all the stuff about her party's social conservatism, and allegations of antisemitism, but at the same time she seems to have the more progressive position on topics like Syria and Libya compared to both conservative (Sarkozy) and pseudo-left (Hollande) opponents. Any help would be appreciated.
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Post 29 Nov 2016, 22:54
This: http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/P ... -0007.html

Or this: http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-projec ... ens-column

I loathe the WSWS for a variety of reasons (it's the Infowars of the left), but this focuses on direct verifiable quotes and is the highest-quality article linked: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/0 ... t-s22.html

Not exactly non-mainstream, but another: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... onal-toxic

Simply put: she leads a middle-class populist movement, with a narrative of pressures from above (EU/(((bankers)))/the two major parties) and below (immigrants/Muslims/"agitators"). That's one of the two key defining characteristics and enough for her to be labeled proto-fascistic. She skirts the line of suspension of liberal democracy from a distinctly undemocratic direction, with numerous statements questioning its efficacy; this is the other, and thus at best she's on the line between protofascism and full-on fascism. I would not say she's in the same full-force league as say, Jobbik which is essentially full-on resurrected Arrow Cross or a group like Golden Dawn, but her party are the proud heirs of Vichy France.

Jobbik, by the way, are the most pro-Russian of any Hungarian party; even more than Fidesz. This goes to show that anti-NATO foreign policy views have no real relation one way or another to whether a party is fascist, and expecting bourgeois nation-state Russia to be treated by the fascists of today as the Marxist supranational body USSR was is foolhardy. If anything, those from countries already in the NATO fold (e.g. not Svoboda) are more likely to be anti-NATO on foreign policy, as seen in FN/Jobbik/Golden Dawn. Because the bulk of the Western haute-bourgeoisie whose interests NATO serves opposes these middle-class far-right populist movements and actively inhibits them on the domestic front, meanwhile Russia is seen as a bulwark of whiteness and strength against "liberal decadence."
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Post 30 Nov 2016, 11:53
Mélenchon can be compared to Sanders indeed, especially as he sent some people from his staff to observe Sanders' campaign. However Mélenchon is openly socialist in the traditional sense.

Regarding the Front National, the party has very close historical relations with the Italian fascist party MSI which inspired the FN's logo:

http://www.aparté.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Logo-MSI-FN-2.jpeg

Therefore the French National front can be called "fascist", even though Marine Le Pen has opposed her father on many matters such as antisemitism. Marine Le Pen's strategy is to build a new neofascist "republican" strategy with a public endorsement of republican values such as the separation of the Church and the State, and also a state-oriented economic policy opposed to their former petty-bourgeois free market policies.

If you can read French, one of the best sources of informations on the true nature of the National Front (and the French far right in general) is this blog:

http://droites-extremes.blog.lemonde.fr/

Regarding Syria, it's totally true that the FN is supportive of Russia and Mr. Assad. However, and although that can be considered to be in our interest to some extent, I wouldn't call that "progressive", as Mr. Putin is certainly not progressive. Russia is still an imperialist country, and Bachar is not our best friend either. It's well-known that the Front National is funded by Russia through some bank loans, and so they also supported Russia in the Ukrainian crisis even if this meant that they had to oppose their Ukrainian Neonazi brothers.

It's obvious that Russia tries to destabilize France by supporting the far right. For example if you have alook at some recent articles from RT France, you will see that many focus on Robert Ménard:

https://francais.rt.com/france

Ménard is only mayor of Bézier, a middle-sized town (70k). But he is also a mediatic man very close to the Front National.

Also regarding relations with Trump's staff:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/731 ... hen-Bannon
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Post 03 Mar 2017, 00:32
OP-Bagration wrote:
- The French Communist Party has voted to support leftist leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon and his La France insoumise movement, thus disavowing the decision of the last Congress.


What changed? Were they planning to run independently at first?
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Post 04 Mar 2017, 09:37
Thanks for the links guys; sorry for not responding earlier.

OP Bagration wrote:
Marine Le Pen's strategy is to build a new neofascist "republican" strategy with a public endorsement of republican values such as the separation of the Church and the State, and also a state-oriented economic policy opposed to their former petty-bourgeois free market policies.


See that's very intriguing to me. Is it still neo-fascism if it's a shift so far away from so much of what defined her father's FN? Or is it all just a 'wolf in sheep's clothing' trick to get voters, do you think? I mean Mélenchon is one thing (he seems like a great guy). But when you compare Marine Le Pen to Hamon (piece of shit, same as Hollande), or Macron (ex-socialist, former Rothschild banker), isn't she the best of a rotten bunch?

Obviously, I'm not as exposed to French politics on a daily basis; what I hear is mostly what's reported by the mainstream Western or Russian news (i.e. not much). But to me a very important issue is a politician's stance on foreign interventionism. I mean how can someone - Hollande for example, claim to be trying to build some kind of social democracy at home if his diplomats and war planners are scheming to take out governments like in Syria?
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Post 07 Apr 2017, 15:23
elections..,. good to go this year
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Post 20 Apr 2017, 01:21
Sooooo... Melenchon is picking up pace. Do you think he'll get to the ballotage?


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