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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Jul 2013, 05:04
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Post 18 May 2014, 19:02
It looks like conditions are getting worse in capitalist Bulgaria. Over two decades since the end of communism in that country, sections of the country are in dire poverty.

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There are "no jobs whatsoever for the young people... My kids ran away, my house is empty -- only me and three goats left," said retired bus driver Stoyan Naydenov, 62.

"Everyone either left or died."

Under communism more than 4,000 people lived in Rasovo, 140 kilometres (90 miles) north of the capital Sofia, employed by huge cooperative farms and factories.

Now there are fewer than 1,000 residents and those who remain are mostly old, rattling past collapsed buildings along potholed streets in carts pulled by donkeys.

Rasovo's spruced-up playground is devoid of children. Schools in the area have been renovated, but some have been forced to close as there are very few kids.

The situation is not much different in the nearby small town of Brusartsi.

"There are no factories, unemployment is pervasive," retired train driver Zhivko Yordanov, 64, said.

"The only events are funerals."


For the whole article see: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... est-region

The rest of the article describes how the European Union has not delivered on many of its promises. Most farm subsidies go to a tiny number of farmers while promised infrastructure projects have never materialized. Still, apparently many Bulgarians remain pro-EU.

Any thoughts on conditions in post-communist Bulgaria? Any chances of a left-wing revival in that country? I find it odd that so many Eastern Europeans still believe that their future is with the EU after so much evidence to the contrary. It seems like almost everyone in the East had it better under communism.
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Post 18 May 2014, 19:18
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It seems like almost everyone in the East had it better under communism.

I don't think this is true. Romania under communism was an abject shithole where people had to endure through a decade of the worst austerity measures ever in the 80s and Bulgaria wasn't much better.
Poland, and especially Czechia and Slovakia are generally much better off today than 30 years ago. Slovakia is the world's biggest car producer per capita for example.
And about EU, most countries that joined the EU in 2004 and 2007 have generally profited from it. Some more and some like BLG and ROM less but neither is in worse condition than before the EU accession ( something only Cyprus and Croatia managed to achieve ). So what future are you talking about anyway? Any Bulgarian with skills and the opportunity will just go work in W. Europe.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Post 19 May 2014, 13:36
For some reason we have yet to see the workers of Bulgaria out on the street agitating for the return of state capitalism. Nor are they voting for it. Unless our capitalist media are keeping this a secret from us?
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Post 19 May 2014, 15:52
Loz wrote:
I don't think this is true. Romania under communism was an abject shithole where people had to endure through a decade of the worst austerity measures ever in the 80s and Bulgaria wasn't much better.
Poland, and especially Czechia and Slovakia are generally much better off today than 30 years ago. Slovakia is the world's biggest car producer per capita for example.
And about EU, most countries that joined the EU in 2004 and 2007 have generally profited from it. Some more and some like BLG and ROM less but neither is in worse condition than before the EU accession ( something only Cyprus and Croatia managed to achieve ). So what future are you talking about anyway? Any Bulgarian with skills and the opportunity will just go work in W. Europe.


Poland is not a fair example really. It's pretty much the EU posterchild and receives massively disproportionate levels of funding compared to other member states.
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Post 17 Jun 2015, 14:25
Loz wrote:
I don't think this is true. Romania under communism was an abject shithole where people had to endure through a decade of the worst austerity measures ever in the 80s and Bulgaria wasn't much better.
Poland, and especially Czechia and Slovakia are generally much better off today than 30 years ago. Slovakia is the world's biggest car producer per capita for example.
And about EU, most countries that joined the EU in 2004 and 2007 have generally profited from it. Some more and some like BLG and ROM less but neither is in worse condition than before the EU accession ( something only Cyprus and Croatia managed to achieve ). So what future are you talking about anyway? Any Bulgarian with skills and the opportunity will just go work in W. Europe.

If this is what you think why would you even like socialism? I would be quite interested how is Slovakia or the CZ much better off than 30 years ago. I like how you put 'for example' at the end of your sentence which mentions one irrelevant fact as if you had plenty. In the two counties there is pretty much just one place that thrives, and that is Prague due to tourism.


Meat consumption in Slovakia is still lower than in 89
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The greatest economic fall has occurred since 89, not before.
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Slovak Subway communists started building right before 'revolution'
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Post 17 Jun 2015, 17:54
Good post sparky. There ain't nothing like debunking generally accepted "facts" on the greatness of capitalism with a small dose of actual facts.

sparkyyy wrote:
Slovak Subway communists started building right before 'revolution'


It saddens me to see what's happened to the Bratislava metro. I've personally always had a special love for trains and railways have always been the only form of transport that I genuinely enjoy.

Still the soundtrack to the video is to absolutely kill for.

Yami wrote:
For some reason we have yet to see the workers of Bulgaria out on the street agitating for the return of state capitalism. Nor are they voting for it. Unless our capitalist media are keeping this a secret from us?


That's because the majority of the people living under capitalism have been raised by television and a globalized media culture to believe that they'll all one day become millionaires and movie stars. "Study then work hard and fair and you're practically guaranteed to become the next Bill Gates" is the lie that our capitalist media sells us. No matter how bad things get, the general trend these days is to shift to the right even more and divide the country into smaller and smaller pieces if necessary to run it in your own selfish ways since most people consider themselves to be an expert/authority on politics even though most people have never opened a book on politics in their lives.

Nationalism is easiest to sell to the simple minded masses, since most people will never take up enough interest to study different political and economical ideologies in order to make informed and calculated decisions. Most people won't even have the time to study because they're mostly worried about feeding themselves, and so scumbag politicians will sell them petty nationalism to make them feel better about their pathetic existence while they drink champagne and act educated.

I guess all I'm doing is repeating what Marx has said a million times before but then again what the hell...this place ain't all that active anyway.

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Post 17 Jun 2015, 23:20
I certainly would not say most of Eastern Bloc is better off, quite the opposite really. Ceausescu was a terrible leader but at least Romania was not collapsing. I don't know much about Bulgaria but the situation seems so dire I would be surprised if these countries even exist in a couple of decades. I think the only positive thing about today's Balkans is that you can freely leave, which is of course what are people doing. Most of these countries have no immigration and large emigration, a dying and aging population and a large underclass of illiterate (mostly Gypsy) people with no prospect. If you google almost any country in the Baltics or in the Balkans in terms of demographics (there is a wiki page) you will find that the population is declining so rapidly it is just a matter of few years until a complete collapse comes. Remember that the people leaving are young and productive and the ones staying are the older ones. That might also be a reason why there is no revolt, people have easy time moving away and the anti communist propaganda made it look like the west is doing great and it is the closet communists still behind the country's destruction (I am serious, that is what the youth thinks)

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Post 18 Jun 2015, 00:18
sparkyyy wrote:
That might also be a reason why there is no revolt, people have easy time moving away and the anti communist propaganda made it look like the west is doing great and it is the closet communists still behind the country's destruction (I am serious, that is what the youth thinks).


The Ukraine has experienced the worst recession in its modern history ever since the new nationalist government took over and you'll still find most of the country's youths saying that it was far worse as a Soviet republic, and that Poroshenko is a great guy who knows what he is doing.

Here in Africa where I live people who constantly beg me for transport money nevertheless think that socialism would be worse for Africa.
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Post 18 Jun 2015, 00:46
Yeqon wrote:

The Ukraine has experienced the worst recession in its modern history ever since the new nationalist government took over and you'll still find most of the country's youths saying that it was far worse as a Soviet republic, and that Poroshenko is a great guy who knows what he is doing.

Here in Africa where I live people who constantly beg me for transport money nevertheless think that socialism would be worse for Africa.

Ukraine is going to collapse, the Eastern republics are very strong now with hundreds of tanks, artilery and MLRS. The government is just a tool of the IMF to let foreign capitalists loot the country and the nazis have their goals also. I think the conflict might even get three way.

Do you live in South Africa? Even left wing capitalism (FDR or De Gaulle style) would be good, it is just too much of a shame people have become too nihilistic to want anything left wing. I don't feel like socialism has much of a future in the coming decades. At least not in Europe. The first world seems too reactionary.
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Post 18 Jun 2015, 01:02
No I live in Nigeria, West Africa. I was living in the Ukraine up until a few weeks before the Maidan demonstrations began.

I'm also skeptical about the future of socialism within the next few decades anywhere in Europe or Africa; quite probably even within my entire lifetime.
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Post 04 Jan 2016, 01:34
I beg to disagree comrade. Socialism: the trend, the future. Mark those words, comrade, while you see Bernie Sanders campaigning in Florida and while another closet communist Soviet Trump slanders and destroys the reputation of the Republicans by making outrageous statements that would cause the voters to vote Sanders! Gorbachev conspired against Fidel. Now is the time that Fidel conspire against America! "America would implode by itself"- Al Qaeda.
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Post 06 Jan 2016, 13:07
sparkyyy wrote:
Ukraine is going to collapse, the Eastern republics are very strong now with hundreds of tanks, artilery and MLRS. The government is just a tool of the IMF to let foreign capitalists loot the country and the nazis have their goals also. I think the conflict might even get three way.

Do you live in South Africa? Even left wing capitalism (FDR or De Gaulle style) would be good, it is just too much of a shame people have become too nihilistic to want anything left wing. I don't feel like socialism has much of a future in the coming decades. At least not in Europe. The first world seems too reactionary.


I agree that many people have a nihilistic attitude. People either think that they will someday "make it" and become affluent or they are just totally demoralized and spend their time trying to drown their misery in entertainment, alcohol, drugs, or whatever helps dull the pain.

The people I know who are lucky enough to have decent jobs are so worried about keeping them in the precarious economy that they are too afraid to organize or engage in any political action.

I am not sure what will turn things around. The fact that the Soviet Union is gone does not help because, for all of its faults, the USSR did stand as an example of a large-scale, working socialist society.
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