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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 06 May 2010, 02:32
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Post 12 Apr 2012, 17:17
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WASHINGTON – The Russian military anticipates that an attack will occur on Iran by the summer and has developed an action plan to move Russian troops through neighboring Georgia to stage in Armenia, which borders on the Islamic republic, according to informed Russian sources.

Russian Security Council head Viktor Ozerov said that Russian General Military Headquarters has prepared an action plan in the event of an attack on Iran.
Dmitry Rogozin, who recently was the Russian ambassador to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or NATO, warned against an attack on Iran.

"Iran is our neighbor," Rogozin said. "If Iran is involved in any military action, it's a direct threat to our security." Rogozin now is the deputy Russian prime minister and is regarded as anti-Western. He oversees Russia's defense sector.

Russian Defense Ministry sources say that the Russian military doesn't believe that Israel has sufficient military assets to defeat Iranian defenses and further believes that U.S. military action will be necessary.

The implication of preparing to move Russian troops not only is to protect its own vital regional interests but possibly to assist Iran in the event of such an attack. Sources add that a Russian military buildup in the region could result in the Russian military potentially engaging Israeli forces, U.S. forces, or both.

Informed sources say that the Russians have warned of "unpredictable consequences" in the event Iran is attacked, with some Russians saying that the Russian military will take part in the possible war because it would threaten its vital interests in the region.

The influential Russian Nezavisimaya Gazeta newspaper has quoted a Russian military source as saying that the situation forming around Syria and Iran "causes Russia to expedite the course of improvement of its military groups in the South Caucasus, the Caspian, Mediterranean and Black Sea regions."

This latest information comes from a series of reports and leaks from official Russian spokesmen and government news agencies who say that an Israeli attack is all but certain by the summer.

Because of the impact on Russian vital interests in the region, sources say that Russian preparations for such an attack began two years ago when Russian Military Base 102 in Gyumri, Armenia, was modernized. It is said to occupy a major geopolitical position in the region.

Families of Russian servicemen from the Russian base at Gyumri in Armenia close to the borders of Georgia and Turkey already have been evacuated, Russian sources say.

"Military Base 102 is a key point, Russia's outpost in the South Caucasus," a Russian military source told the newspaper. "It occupies a very important geopolitical position, but the Kremlin fears lest it should lose this situation."

With Vladimir Putin returning to the Russian presidency, the prospect that he again would order an attack on Georgia as he did in August 2008 also has become a possibility, these informed sources say.

The Russians believe that Georgia would cooperate with the United States in blocking any supplies from reaching Military Base 102, which now is supplied primarily by air. Right now, Georgia blocks the only land transportation route through which Russian military supplies could travel.
Fuel for the Russian base in Armenia comes from Iran. Russian officials believe this border crossing may be closed in the event of a war.

"Possibly, it will be necessary to use military means to breach the Georgian transport blockade and establish transport corridors leading into Armenia," according to Yury Netkachev, former deputy commander of Russian forces in Transcaucasia. Geography of the region suggests that any such supply corridor would have to go through the middle of Georgia approaching Georgia's capital of Tbilisi given the roads and topography of the country.

In September, the Russian military plans to hold its annual military exercises called Kavkaz 2012. However, informed Russian sources say that preparations and deployments of military equipment and personnel already have begun in anticipation of a possible war with Iran.

These sources report that new command and control equipment has been deployed in the region capable of using the Russian GPS system, GLONASS for targeting information.

"The air force in the South Military District is reported to have been rearmed almost 100 percent with new jets and helicopters," according to regional expert Pavel Felgenhauer of the Washington-based Jamestown Foundation.

In 2008, Felgenhauer pointed out, Kavkaz 2008 maneuvers allowed the Russian military to covertly deploy forces that successfully invaded Georgia in August of that year.

Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov already has announced that new Spetznaz, or Special Forces units, will be deployed in Stavropol and Kislovodsk, which are located in the North Caucasian regions.

Russian sources say that the Russian military believes that if the U.S. goes to war with Iran, it may deploy forces into Georgia and warships in the Caspian Sea with the possible help of Azerbaijan, which since has stated that it will not allow its territory to be used by Israel to launch an attack on neighboring Iran.

There had been speculation that given the improved relations between Israel and Azerbaijan, the Jewish state may use bases from which to launch air attacks on neighboring Iran's nuclear sites. Israel recently agreed to sell Azerbaijan $1.6 billion in military equipment.

A further irritant to Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili is the prospect that Russian assault airborne troops, or VDV units, with helicopters could be moved into Georgia's two breakaway provinces of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. These two provinces were taken by the Russian military during the August 2008 Russian-Georgian war. Initially they were declared by Moscow to be independent countries, but now the Kremlin is indicating they may be annexed to Russia.

Similarly, Lt. General Vladimir Shamanov, commander of the VDV, has announced that Russian troops in Armenia will be reinforced by paratroopers, along with attack and transport helicopters.

"The Russian spearhead (from the Transcaucasia region) may be ordered to strike south to prevent the presumed deployment of U.S. bases in Transcaucasia, to link up with the troops in Armenia and take over the South Caucasus energy corridor along which Azeri, Turkmen and other Caspian natural gas and oil may reach European markets," Felgenhauer said.

"By one swift military strike, Russia may ensure control of all the Caucasus and the Caspian states that were its former realm, establishing a fiat accompli the West, too preoccupied with Iran, would not reverse," he said.

"At the same time, a small victorious war would unite the Russian nation behind the Kremlin, allowing it to crush the remnants of the prodemocracy movement 'for fair elections,' and as a final bonus, Russia's military action could perhaps finally destroy the Saakashvili regime."

Putin has made no secret that he despises Saakashvili and with his return to the presidency, he may consider taking out the Georgian president as unfinished business. Just as in 2008, Putin will not have much to worry about if he sends Russian troops into Georgia, since there was muted reaction from the U.S. and the European countries to the Russian invasion and subsequent occupation.


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This is a pretty terrifying read. I haven't heard anything about it from other news sources but I have a feeling they maybe keeping hush about it so as not to cause mass panic.
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Post 12 Apr 2012, 19:35
Can't wait.
This war will be imperialism's last war. It will be the death of it.
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Post 13 Apr 2012, 00:40
Well as far as I am concerned the Zionists, Londonites and Americans can get stuffed. I will not pick up a rifle to die for the false Zion. To think, of all the things to die for, they might pick for us the cause of the Zionist gangsters in Tel Aviv or international finance. They can go to hell.
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Post 13 Apr 2012, 08:38
Oh dear, someone started wanking over a map of the Caucasus and came out with this schlock.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Aug 2010, 14:21
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Post 13 Apr 2012, 18:44
Hope they will save comrade Joe's museum.
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Post 14 Apr 2012, 07:34
Erichs_Pastry_Chef wrote:
Oh dear, someone started wanking over a map of the Caucasus and came out with this schlock.


Well, I think that someone would have to be Zbigniew Brzezinski. He's the one that's been saying that the control of Eurasia is vital for US interests, and that for this, Central Asia is crucial, etc.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2012, 16:12
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Post 23 Apr 2012, 01:05
Loz wrote:
Can't wait.
This war will be imperialism's last war. It will be the death of it.


This. Capitalism is on the brink of total collapse and a massive imperialist war would cause the whole scheme to crash and burn. May they plunge full-steam into the train wreck.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 15 Nov 2010, 16:48
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Post 23 Apr 2012, 15:15
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This. Capitalism is on the brink of total collapse and a massive imperialist war would cause the whole scheme to crash and burn. May they plunge full-steam into the train wreck


What a wonderful thought considering that the predicted events would lead to the extermination of my people and the people of the caucasus and all of the middle east. I understand opportunism, but I can't understand the rejoicing at the death of millions. On another note, it is absolutely the sign of a collapsing capitalist system, I guess we will have our hands full at organizing locally.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 15 Jul 2009, 21:32
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Post 24 Apr 2012, 19:46
Red Armenian wrote:

What a wonderful thought considering that the predicted events would lead to the extermination of my people and the people of the caucasus and all of the middle east. I understand opportunism, but I can't understand the rejoicing at the death of millions. On another note, it is absolutely the sign of a collapsing capitalist system, I guess we will have our hands full at organizing locally.


Agreed. The local communist party here is doing everything it can to prevent the war. Erdogan's ignorant threats against Assad and Iran really pisses me off, along with the NATO's self-imposed missiles put in eastern Turkey.I don't want to see anyone dying because of this western-ass-licking.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Feb 2012, 23:00
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Post 24 Apr 2012, 22:07
Well i'm not rejoicing at the death of inocent people but I guess it's a means to an end.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 29 Apr 2012, 14:07
Capitalism is not on the brink of collapse. Prove how it is on the brink of collapse. It becomes statistical inevitability, and not wonderful analysis, if you shout that it is every month.
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Post 29 Apr 2012, 16:52
Erichs_Pastry_Chef wrote:
Capitalism is not on the brink of collapse. Prove how it is on the brink of collapse. It becomes statistical inevitability, and not wonderful analysis, if you shout that it is every month.


The system can go on forever. People's standard of living cannot. I think globalisation is causing a lot of effects that won't be undone under neo-liberalism or social democracy.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2012, 16:12
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Post 04 May 2012, 07:51
Erichs_Pastry_Chef wrote:
Capitalism is not on the brink of collapse. Prove how it is on the brink of collapse. It becomes statistical inevitability, and not wonderful analysis, if you shout that it is every month.


Capitalism has grown so greedy or outright desperate they're employing imperialist tactics in their own fragging economies: They deliberately created an investors' panic in order to bring developed nations closer to collapse and get cheap privatizations... Except it's, like, completely out of control.

Eventually their brinkmanship will force certain developed countries to actually go bankrupt. The social-democrats (spineless opportunists to begin with) have sold out so completely that they won't even try to mitigate the neoliberal trainwreck. When austerity manages to actually kill an Euro country or two. That's when the proverbial shit hits the proverbial fan. Sovereign bankruptcies spiral out of control and spread like the flu 'cause investors now have worthless bonds and then they go bankrupt, etc. The inevitable financial meltdown will make 2008 look like a bull market. Except capitalist countries can't really afford new bailouts anymore (they can barely afford the goddamn bills).

Capitalism's actually been on a death spiral for a long time: It's just that they've been systemmatically cooking the books (on a grand scale) for the last 15-20 years or so. But you can only do that for so long before it catches up with ya. Capitalism's goinna hit another 2008 with much less margin for maneuver and the people at large pissed off at them. If they don't actually nuke the world into a back-up Mercury, this is going to be... Let's say interesting.

WWIII would just speed up the process 'cause most belligerents would have to send lotsa troops somewhere else, exposing the regime's soft and fat belly for us proles to tear apart. Holdin' off a revolution while the troops are away and the economy's collapsed is rather hard: The current crop of capitalist buffoons probably can't pull it off.
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Post 04 May 2012, 16:50
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WWIII would just speed up the process 'cause most belligerents would have to send lotsa troops somewhere else, exposing the regime's soft and fat belly for us proles to tear apart. Holdin' off a revolution while the troops are away and the economy's collapsed is rather hard: The current crop of capitalist buffoons probably can't pull it off.


World Wars are perfectly capable of strengthening capitalism rather than destroying it. In fact, the last two had the capitalist superpower that emerged the most unscathed get much stronger at the expense of several others. It's not a matter of everyone losing the game, it's a matter of reshuffling the cards so that only one person has a full house.

This is especially true when combined with this:

KlassWar wrote:
Capitalism's actually been on a death spiral for a long time: It's just that they've been systemmatically cooking the books (on a grand scale) for the last 15-20 years or so. But you can only do that for so long before it catches up with ya. Capitalism's goinna hit another 2008 with much less margin for maneuver and the people at large pissed off at them. If they don't actually nuke the world into a back-up Mercury, this is going to be... Let's say interesting.


War is very profitable to a collapsing capitalist system.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 06 May 2012, 18:28
Exactly as above. Bankruptcy doesn't mean a thing if the capital assets, military and manpower, willing to fight for whichever power, are all there.
WW1 and WW2 saw extensive command economies in the West to mitigate the technical bankruptcies the belligerent states actually found themselves in. Blowing up a factory is an excuse for your boys to win another contract in rebuilding it straight after the war - like Iraq.

People have been saying "capitalism is on the brink of collapse" for about 100 years. They have never been correct.

KlassWar wrote:
Capitalism has grown so greedy or outright desperate they're employing imperialist tactics in their own fragging economies: They deliberately created an investors' panic in order to bring developed nations closer to collapse and get cheap privatizations... Except it's, like, completely out of control.


Imperialist and post-imperialist economies have always employed "imperialist tactics" by privatising left, right and centre when they can - it breaks up a state monopoly for about 20 or 30 years as a private monopoly is established. How is that imperialist?

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WWIII would just speed up the process 'cause most belligerents would have to send lotsa troops somewhere else, exposing the regime's soft and fat belly for us proles to tear apart. Holdin' off a revolution while the troops are away and the economy's collapsed is rather hard: The current crop of capitalist buffoons probably can't pull it off.


WW3 will be nuclear. The focus has shifted on international collusion to break the ranks of trade unionists, communists and socialists by cracking down on civil disobedience. This is easy to do if people openly discuss on social media sites and internet fora their exact intentions to do something. Snatch squads at 4AM. America is only interested in the "Arab Spring" as it breaks the former state cartels and potentially offers them as a new market to shift dodgy assets to - whereas their own government would quite happily order the troops to open fire on powerful mass demonstrations.
That sounds a bit cynical, but it takes a lot more than just saying the system is going to end and throwing a couple of slogans out there. I am quite optimistic that most people I come across understand just how fraudulent a system capitalism has become, not necessarily through physical exploitation, but through, as you say, cooking books and fiddling accounts for the past couple of decades - there's no need to really tell most people about how shitty it is. Why not propose in a thorough way how things could be altered in order to prevent a similar farrago and bring about socialism instead?
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Post 07 May 2012, 09:10
During Occupy Rome, 3K anarchists set the Ministry of Interior and the Ministry of Defense ablaze. 3K!!! And they managed to overrun and torch the seats of bourgeois repression.

Were it not for the shameful betrayal (*never* to be forgiven) of the pacifists and the soc-dems in the Occupy movement (they actually cooperated with the pigs), there'd have been an actual revolution in Italy! That's three thousand determined combatants, armed with petrol bombs, in peacetime, with the bulk of the government's repressive forces on standby.

With large proportions of troops locked inside the Iran war, with the economies collapsing from a war they can't afford by any stretch of the imagination, with the people utterly pissed off at war taxes... Capitalism will crash and burn. I'm not even sure they'll have time to fling the nukes.
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Post 07 May 2012, 10:58
3,000 people plus the numbers in the Occupy does not by any stretch of the imagination make a credible mass movement. Burning furniture doesn't destroy anything other than wood and leather.
Out of these 3,000, how many would be capable of professionally administering things, of understanding maritime laws and procedures to keep up trade, of fixing a transformer station if it goes bust....?
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