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Post 05 Dec 2011, 22:42
Moris wrote:
personally i dont think we should be worried yet. if he's not willing to enter the coalition he will be risking a rebellion in his party. i'm certain they'll enter coalition eventually. it's too early for me to say anything concrete.

You know what I started to think? It may happen that some SD MP's will "defect" to PS.

Moris wrote:
but sadly i think national unity coalition might be the only way. podobniks are gone for now,

This will happen only once Janša is out of the way (either dead or behind bars, choose your preference;)

Moris wrote:
let's hope žerjav will put his personal agenda aside and back the coalition. i'm assuming he's a reasonable man since he supported pahor's reforms in the past instead of simply dismissing them like janša.

He's a demagogue. I suspect he's got someone behind him, I see him as a puppet.
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Post 05 Dec 2011, 23:51
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You know what I started to think? It may happen that some SD MP's will "defect" to PS.


i think so as well. and i think we'll see MPs defecting often this time.

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This will happen only once Janša is out of the way (either dead or behind bars, choose your preference;)


i'm cool with either as long as division finally ends.

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He's a demagogue. I suspect he's got someone behind him, I see him as a puppet.


could be but i cant say i know enough to give you 100% correct answer here. he seems quite moderate compared to podobnik.

by the way, do check this when you can:
http://books.google.de/books?id=QZr1vsD ... ty&f=false
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Post 06 Dec 2011, 00:27
Moris wrote:
i think so as well. and i think we'll see MPs defecting often this time.

I suspect some defectors to PS will come from SD and some may even come from DeSUS. I wonder if Janša can get Pukšič or someone from NSi...

Moris wrote:
i'm cool with either as long as division finally ends.

I'm rooting for "dead" instead of "behind bars"
But I don't think division will end once he's out of the way. It will end once Slovenians will realize that "social democracy" is not what SDS stands for. Social democracy has other values. And, can you imagine Gorenak and Černač and Grims being any other way than they are right now?

Moris wrote:
he seems quite moderate compared to podobnik.

He doesn't seem to have an agenda at all. I mean, no agenda whatsoever. Not even a positive agenda. He speaks generally and one cannot argue with such a person, that's why everyone agreed with him in the election debates! But one has to admit that obviously not many people saw through that and they were just left with a "good feeling" about him because they rarely disagreed with anything he said.

Moris wrote:
by the way, do check this when you can:
http://books.google.de/books?id=QZr1vsD ... ty&f=false

I did and it's interesting despite its age (1999). Thanks for sharing.
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Post 07 Dec 2011, 22:04
well edo, it seems like SD and DESUS will be part of the government for sure. LGV will probably join the coalition eventually as well, as for SLS it seems to me that styrian mayors are holding the party hostage. i'd prefer SLS in the coalition because their economic program is more social than LGV, but hey, cant have everything
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Post 07 Dec 2011, 22:21
Moris wrote:
well edo, it seems like SD and DESUS will be part of the government for sure. LGV will probably join the coalition eventually as well, as for SLS it seems to me that styrian mayors are holding the party hostage. i'd prefer SLS in the coalition because their economic program is more social than LGV, but hey, cant have everything

I haven't noticed that even though I watched the 7pm news tonight. It doesn't seem PS will get a majority of votes to me. Also, I think Židan was correct in saying there's no need for "uncles from the background" (meaning Kučan).

I find the silence from the right-wing parties quite ominous (white guards NSi and home guards SDS).
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Post 08 Dec 2011, 21:54
@Moris,

did you see today's "prepucavanje" (sorry, no English word for it) between Zoky and Janša? It's ridiculous, isn't it?
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Post 08 Dec 2011, 22:50
of course i did. what an useless bag of shit janša is. i think he's getting lucid or something. did you notice a facebook group calling for another early elections? SDS attracts primitives like manure attracts flies.
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Post 08 Dec 2011, 23:51
Moris wrote:
of course i did. what an useless bag of shit janša is. i think he's getting lucid or something. did you notice a facebook group calling for another early elections? SDS attracts primitives like manure attracts flies.

There's a cure for all those white guards and home guards, and the caliber of the solution i'm proposing is too uncivilized to be written here

(i edited out the original comment)

EDIT: i'm starting to think that may as well happen, early elections... It will be interesting to see who would be able to galvanize more people to go out and vote for him, Zoky or Janša.
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Post 09 Dec 2011, 00:06
edo, i completely agree with you but please be careful about the first line you wrote. keep in mind that web eye is always watching so please edit that first part out.
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Post 13 Dec 2011, 18:07
@Moris
What do you make of the current development, comrade? The "trenirke" affair? Did you know that JJ is supposedly behind the text - here's an article (in Slovenian) which claims that all JJ's pseudonyms are connected with the word "maj" (month of May), MAJer, KoštoMAJ, MAJnik etc.
http://bit.ly/s5yarI
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Post 13 Dec 2011, 19:48
i'm having great time following this situation. every day JJ makes a big step backwards and this time it seems he made two steps backward. mark my words, early election or not, SDS will not participate on those.
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Post 13 Dec 2011, 22:42
Moris wrote:
i'm having great time following this situation. every day JJ makes a big step backwards and this time it seems he made two steps backward. mark my words, early election or not, SDS will not participate on those.

I think there will be a coalition, and I praise Zoky for saying upfront (two months ago) that he is entering the politics solely to win the mandate to assemble the government, and he managed to achieve that.
Otherwise, I'm so sad about Slovenians not being able to see through JJ - as I see, those who supported him earlier, are now even more fervently supporting him. And he's always using the same approach to answer any allegations: "they [the other side] did it, too, so I [JJ] am the real victim!"
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