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Riots in Tottenham after Mark Duggan shooting protest

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Post 07 Aug 2011, 15:15
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Riots in Tottenham after Mark Duggan shooting protest

Police are on the streets of Tottenham, north London, where overnight riots saw petrol bombs thrown at officers and patrol cars and buildings set alight.

Eight injured police officers were taken in hospital, at least one of them with head injuries.

The unrest began after a protest over the fatal shooting by police of 29-year-old Mark Duggan on Thursday.

About 300 people gathered outside the police station on the High Road after demonstrators demanded "justice".

London Ambulance Service said a total of 10 people had been treated and nine had been taken to hospital.

Two empty patrol cars were set alight at about 20:20 BST.

Shops in the area were looted, with people seen pushing away shopping trolleys full of goods. One local resident told the BBC that looting continued beyond daybreak on Sunday.

A double-decker bus was set on fire at the junction of High Road and Brook Street while a shop on the High Road was also set alight.

Fire crews were initially unable to reach the shop due to the disorder but later began tackling the flames.

A BBC TV news crew and satellite truck also came under attack from youths throwing missiles.

The youths had begun attacking another police patrol car before the TV crew were targeted and they were withdrawn in the interests of their own safety. The police car was later set alight.

The BBC's Andy Moore says the rioters appear to have dispersed on Sunday morning and police were trying to restore calm.

Our correspondent says that since riots in 1985 relations between the local community and police have been generally good, but last week's shooting raised tension.

He says elements of the community were looking for instant answers but the investigation into Mr Duggan's death would be more long-term.

'Calm and normality'

Commander Stephen Watson, of the Metropolitan Police, earlier told BBC News a significant number of officers had been deployed with the aim of restoring "calm and normality to the area as soon as possible".

Police were continuing to deal with "isolated pockets of criminality" involving a few people, he said in a statement.

Mr Watson said police did not have warnings of last night's level of disorder, despite being aware of raised tensions after Mr Duggan's death.

"What we experienced earlier on yesterday evening was a peaceful protest outside Tottenham police station - there was no indication it would deteriorate in this way. For those who involved themselves in this level of violence, there is no excuse."

Tottenham MP David Lammy appealed for calm on Saturday, saying: "The scenes currently taking place in our community are not representative of the vast majority of people in Tottenham.

"Those who remember the destructive conflicts of the past will be determined not to go back to them.

"We already have one grieving family in our community and further violence will not heal that pain.

"True justice can only follow a thorough investigation of the facts.

"The Tottenham community and Mark Duggan's family and friends need to understand what happened on Thursday evening when Mark lost his life. To understand those facts, we must have calm."

Protesters are believed to have gathered outside the police station at about 17:00 BST.

The force said the situation turned violent when two patrol cars parked about 200 metres away on Forster Road and High Road were attacked.

The spokesman said: "A number of bottles were thrown at these two cars - one was set alight and the second was pushed into the middle of the High Road. It was subsequently set slight.

"The officers were not in the vehicles and were unhurt."

A friend of Mr Duggan, who gave her name as Niki, 53, said marchers had wanted "justice for the family" and "something had to be done".

She said some of them lay in the road to make their point. "They're making their presence known because people are not happy," she added.

"This guy was not violent. Yes, he was involved in things but he was not an aggressive person. He had never hurt anyone."

Vanessa Robinson said she had joined the original protest outside the police station and it had begun peacefully.

She said the situation had then turned into "absolute chaos".

One person at the scene, who gave his name as Tim, said: "It's an absolute war zone. I walked up there.

"I saw about five youths, all faces covered up. They set a wheelie bin on fire and threw it into the riot police.

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"The whole of the police station is surrounded by... about 100 police officers in riot gear and they threw a wheelie bin into it and then started throwing bricks, street signs, anything they could get their hands on, straight at them."

Another resident, David Akinsanya, 46, said several shop windows had been smashed.

He said: "There was a police line of about 15 riot police sort of in front of the police station on the north side and then there were loads of uniformed officers on the south side of the police station.

"They weren't making any effort to go into the crowd. Every now and again they would rush the crowd and the crowd would run.

"But there seems to be a lot of anger in Tottenham tonight... as I left they were starting to attack the police station."

The Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating the shooting of Mr Duggan.

A police officer was also injured in the incident, which happened when police stopped a minicab containing Mr Duggan.

IPCC Commissioner Rachel Cerfontyne said: "I understand the distress that the shooting of Mark Duggan has caused to his family and in the community and that people need answers about what happened to him."

She said the IPCC was in close contact with Mr Duggan's family, adding: "I have tonight spoken to community representatives and hope to meet with them and others as early as possible."

A spokesman for Mayor of London Boris Johnson said: "Violence and destruction of property will do nothing to facilitate [the IPCC] investigation and we urge those involved to respect the rule of law."

The people of Tottenham are pissed off by the police's actions over the conduct of the police. According to the police, Duggan allegedly fired the first shot and almost killed the police officer. People threw petrol bombs on the police and it could've easily ended in death on either side of the conflict. Some people seized upon the golden opportunity and decided to loot the stores.

Several injured in London riot
Woodgreen looting 1 (ironically a shop called Loot at 2:15 was spared from the looting)
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Post 07 Aug 2011, 16:45
The Evening Standard of all papers is reporting an eye-witness report that Duggan was shot while being restrained on the ground.
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Post 07 Aug 2011, 18:18
Let me see if i got this right.
Some thug shoots a police officer and gets killed.The mob gathers to protest against that and sets the city on fire?
How did the British Communist parties react on this?
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Post 08 Aug 2011, 10:14
This video came out before the riots.

This is quite a lot like Brixton and Toxteth; 31 and 30 years ago. Disaffected black youth. Riots only happen when people are pissed off. Try not to oversimplify the causes of a riot, Loz, there is genuine cause in this case.
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Post 08 Aug 2011, 11:01
Britain's own Rodney King, with likely the same history. The capitalist class command, their bully dogs transgress, the middle class protest, the lumpen riot.
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Post 08 Aug 2011, 14:52
Rumours are now emerging that the bullet that wounded the police officer was fired from a police gun.
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Post 08 Aug 2011, 19:11
London officials are calling for "justice" against those who rioted.. sadly no "justice" for killer cops. Also here's a Liberation article that came out just before the protests started. Not relevent to this case; however, it carries the same underlying message.

Liberation News wrote:
What's behind the epidemic of police brutality?
Police uphold capitalist system by terrorizing working class
By Sarah Carlson
August 5, 2011

Skulls cracked with batons, flashlights, fists, feet and knees. Bodies shot with one, 10, 50 and 100 bullets. Police brutality is not only a constant presence in the United States, it is thriving and escalating in no uncertain terms. A quick search of “police brutality 2011” on YouTube shows the extent to which this outrage has become commonplace.

From 2009 to 2010, reports of the number of victims of police misconduct jumped from 4,778 to 6,826. Although the numbers rose overall, the two biggest trends remained: The top two forms of police misconduct were excessive force (18.2 percent in 2009 and 23.8 percent in 2010) and sexual misconduct (11.9 percent in 2009 and 9.3 percent in 2010.)

Deaths resulting from police violence stayed roughly the same with 258 and 247 people killed respectively in 2009 and 2010. That is an average of 253 deaths per year and a total of 505 people dead. (Injustice Everywhere: The National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project) People of color are disproportionately impacted by police brutality due to the built-in racism that runs through the very fiber of the so-called criminal justice system.

While statistics for 2011 are still hard to come by, the nature of the police force as an armed wing of the ruling class indicates that these numbers are unlikely to decline significantly this year.

Recent cases in a national epidemic

The words “police brutality” have lost some weight over the years, and it is worth highlighting some recent examples that point to the heinous acts committed by police officers:

May 5: Iraq war veteran Jose Guerena was shot to death by Prima County Sheriff SWAT officers over 60 times. They wrongly suspected Guerena of being part of a drug-dealing operation. He was denied medical attention until the house was searched. The officers even pointed their guns at his wife and 4-year-old son. Dozens of neighbors testified that the officers never knocked or identified themselves when they entered the house. The SWAT team was cleared of any wrongdoing and not so much as an apology has been offered to his family

May 30: Several police officers in Miami shot and killed 22-year-old Haitian-American Raymond Herisse in a hail of 100 bullets and then rampaged through the streets, confiscating and smashing the cell phones of onlookers who had recorded the incident. One video survived because witness Narces Benoit hid his SIM card in his mouth before the cops surrounded his car with their guns drawn, and smashed his phone.

June 17: Philadelphia resident Eric Crawley rushed to his sister’s house when he found out she was involved in a domestic dispute. An hour later he was dead, having been shot by police. As is par for the course, police accounts are very different from eyewitness accounts, with the former saying the victim pulled a gun and the latter stating no gun was drawn by Crawley.

Chicago police have shot 42 people this year, almost double the number shot in 2010. One of their victims was 13-year-old Jimmell Cannon. Cannon was shot eight times by police for allegedly having a BB gun, something that is denied by everyone thatwho witnessed the incident. Luckily, his mother did not have to bury him, but he will be starting 7th grade next year with nine fingers, as one of them was shot off by the police.

These are not isolated incidents. The rise in repressive police violence has even prompted some news outlets to run stories on the phenomenon instead of focusing on sensationalized incidents.

Why are the police so brutal?

Let us turn to some recent cases in San Francisco. In the month of July, two people were killed in less than two weeks at the hands of police. The first man, Charles Hill, was a 45-year-old homeless man. According to the police, Hill was drunk and attacked them with a knife. Although Hill did have a history of alcohol abuse, those who knew him described him as harmless.

On July 3, the reports came out of a “wobbly drunk” being shot at the Civic Center BART station, accompanied by a story from the police department that the man had a knife and the lives of the officers were in danger. The video released later, however, shows the alleged knife hitting a train and then flying across the platform, with an officer firing his gun several seconds later, while Hill is still far enough away that he cannot be seen on camera.

The second incident occurred July 16 when 19-year-old Kenneth Harding Jr. was shot by the SFPD. Harding was running away from officers attempting to stop him for a $2 fare evasion. In the weeks following his death, the SFPD continued to change their story. The most recent one is that he shot himself.

The media circus that followed was one of demonization of Harding’s character; his criminal history used as means to justify his death. As if the police officers knew when they started chasing him for the $2, that he was guilty of all the things he had been accused of, and that those crimes warranted his summary execution.

As you watch the video of Kenneth Harding writhing on the pavement while the cops involved stand around him, guns drawn, you see thugs watching a young man bleed to death, offering absolutely no assistance.

The video shows an organized body of armed men and women that exists to terrorize the working class in order to protect the interests of private property owners. It is part of the same state apparatus that perpetrates terror all over the world, killing innocent people in the name of profits overseas, and the same capitalist machine that deploys an army of police to jail, torture and kill inside the borders of this country.

When you finish watching the video, close your eyes and envision the many heroes who have rebelled against this racist system: Malcolm X, Mumia Abu Jamal, the Freedom Riders and Nat Turner. Hundreds of students at a sit-in. Millions marching on Washington. See the inevitable future of a revolution that will overthrow the dictatorship of the capitalist class and give the power to the people of the working class.

Police brutality is a symptom of the capitalist disease. Socialist revolution is the cure.
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Post 08 Aug 2011, 20:50
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Rumours are now emerging that the bullet that wounded the police officer was fired from a police gun.

It was rumoured that Duggan actually didn't fire the gun at all and merely concealed in a sock, but I can't verify that. Shit, the riots are spreading throughout London and possibly in other cities throughout the country and police are going to crack down hard on the rioters pretty soon.
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Post 08 Aug 2011, 21:38
Apparently it's spread to Birmingham and Luton.
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Post 08 Aug 2011, 23:34
Rumour in the home counties north of London is they are shutting off roads to try and prevent it spreading. Reports of a shopping outlet fairly near me being targetted.

What seems to have originated as a protest in Tottenham has turned into mass looting and rioting spreading throughout the country. People are joining in now because they know they can as the police are struggling to find the numbers to stop them. People's houses are being burnt along with small businesses.

It's a shame that nothing revolutionary has come out of this protest, just opportunistic theft and destruction in already deprived areas.
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Post 09 Aug 2011, 00:26
At the very least they've exposed the police as paper tigers, on the hand the odds of troops being sent in is increasing by the hour.
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Post 09 Aug 2011, 06:13
Upon further investigation as to the cause of the riots I can understand why they are doing this now. I only hope they do not hurt people who are not to blame. There is no point in rioting just for the sake of rioting.
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Upon further investigation as to the cause of the riots I can understand why they are doing this now. I only hope they do not hurt people who are not to blame. There is no point in rioting just for the sake of rioting.


None of this is due to the original protest anymore. You're not going to tell me that people in Birmingham or even other parts of London give a shit about some guy getting shot by the Police in Tottenham. This is just opportunism amongst youths who feel they have the momentum against the police and thus can get away with looting.
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Post 09 Aug 2011, 13:39
Social instability = good
Mediterranean conditions spreading to the north = good
Looting = good

I have no idea what y'all's problem is.
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Post 09 Aug 2011, 13:52
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None of this is due to the original protest anymore. You're not going to tell me that people in Birmingham or even other parts of London give a shit about some guy getting shot by the Police in Tottenham. This is just opportunism amongst youths who feel they have the momentum against the police and thus can get away with looting.


It's worth noting the profile of the offenders, it's precisely those who have little to lose from taking part versus what they can potentially gain from looting. That alone says alot about poverty levels in London given the fact that you know the judges are going to be in a hanging mood after this.

We need to support working class communities organising to defend themselves from arson and looting, not just because it's the socialist thing to do but because the alternative is looking likely to be military intervention.
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Post 09 Aug 2011, 14:09
There's been quite a dangerous public backlash, in terms of mentality at least, against the rioters - people calling for the army to be called in, people cheering coppers battering the shit out of protesters, always a very, very dangerous mentality to hold to support any level of state violence like that. Should be treated with quiet respect. The rioters have little stake in society and do not fear the state, the courts, the police, prison.
I wonder what anarcho posters here have to say. Surely this is HEAVEN?
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the alternative is looking likely to be military intervention.


How likely is that?
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Social instability = good
Mediterranean conditions spreading to the north = good
Looting = good

I have no idea what y'all's problem is.


Social instability is only good if it is leading to something better (i.e. the overthrow of capitalism).
I'm not sure these are really Mediterranean conditions. This is not an organised protest against government finances but opportunist vandalism.
How is looting good? It's not as if they are looting giant corporations, banks or top-end jewellery shops. They are looting small businesses in deprived areas and burning proletarians out of their houses. They are not seizing the means of production, they are seizing the products of production. Not very socialist.

What we need to do is make sure this doesn't become associated with the socialist movement as the idea of working class people rioting will only serve as ammo for the bourgeois propaganda machine.
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Post 09 Aug 2011, 14:51
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How likely is that?


A few days ago, unthinkable.

As of last night even moderates are calling for the army to be sent in. The police have clearly lost control of the city; they've called even more officers from around the country for today, if they fail to control things tonight then it seems highly plausible.
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Post 09 Aug 2011, 15:00
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Social instability is only good if it is leading to something better (i.e. the overthrow of capitalism).
I'm not sure these are really Mediterranean conditions. This is not an organised protest against government finances but opportunist vandalism.
How is looting good? It's not as if they are looting giant corporations, banks or top-end jewellery shops. They are looting small businesses in deprived areas and burning proletarians out of their houses. They are not seizing the means of production, they are seizing the products of production. Not very socialist.

What we need to do is make sure this doesn't become associated with the socialist movement as the idea of working class people rioting will only serve as ammo for the bourgeois propaganda machine.

Indeed. I fail to see how burning supermarkets to the ground is beneficial to society and these actions will only empower reactionary forces. The authorities fragged up hard and these events will only lead to a greater backlash against these people. The left won't benefit from supporting these riots because it would be seen by the majority of the country as supporting thuggery and criminality.

The Metropolitan Police failed terribly in containing these riots and will undoubtedly have major implications for the force and for the coalitions. I wish these darned riots didn't happen in the first place because hardly anybody would benefit from it, save for looters who will make thousands from selling stolen merchandise.
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