Quote: This is immensely provocative behaviour on the part of Poland. Such blatant dissemination of propaganda can only be regarded as subversion. These outlets can be characterized as overt propaganda because they do not analyze the news and politics in an objective manner but instead spread slander and lies similar to what's found on "Radio Free Europe". It seems that Poland is trying to reconquer Belorussia but this time through proxy. banistansig2
Something I don't understand about Lukashenko's opponents is why they keep pushing for the same system advocated by the late opponents of the Soviet system after already having witnessed the devastating impact that free market policy has had on the economies of the republics of the former USSR and the deceptive nature of Western 'free society' terminology.
The people of the late Soviet Union were fooled, tricked, and coerced by nationalism, the flash of Western consumerism, and ideals of bourgeois liberalism, along with most of the decisions being made without their input by Gorbachev and the self-appointed national leaders. These anti-Lukashenko Milinkievič groupies have no excuse when it comes to their attitudes and behaviour. It brings me to think of the Einstein quote "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
I've heard that Belarus's economy is only 20% privatized which is good compared to China which is 50% privatized. What is the political situation there? What's the economic situation like?
![]() "The People, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." -- Mao Zedong Quote: Lukashenko. Quote: GDP growth of 14% a year for several years now. Twice that of Russia. They have the 3rd highest wages in the CIS after Russia and Kazakhstan, and some of the highest prices. Though it's probably fragged now without lower gas and fuel prices which Russia subsidized Belarus with. ![]() "Bleh, i don't even know what i'm arguing for. What a stupid rant. Disregard what i wrote." - Loz "Every time is gyros time" - Stalinista
I wonder how tim and Fin fang foom and urmas can explain that rate of growth in a largely state controlled economy. I meen compare it to poland or ukraine?
Quote: They would most probably say that those statistics are falsified By the way, it's written in CIA World Factbook that Belarus had "only" 9.2% in 2005 https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fa ... .html#Econ [Edit]Wait a minute! According to CIA WF (And I'm sure everyone believe it ), that's their explanation: Quote: Lies. ![]() Homer: "You guys are commies? Then why am I seeing free markets?" Quote: Lies, by CIA Spies. But seriously folks, whats really going on here? I thought Bel. was on that nice long, broken, dirty, unpaved, with holes in it road to capitalism and 'democracy' like the rest of eastern europe.
From what I read on wikipedia, Lukashenko is a really good guy, excepts for the fact that it is a dictatorship (according to wikipedia.)
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Nov 2005, 17:55 Party Bureaucrat Quote: Lukashenko's government, unlike the others, has tried to maintain some of the Soviet state systems to prevent the social degradation that happened to the rest of Eastern Europe. Belarus' government is republican (even if the alleged election fraud did not happen in Lukashenko's most recent reelection, he still would have won fairly) ![]() "History is a set of lies agreed upon." --Napoleon Bonaparte Quote: What tha frag Poland want to conquer Bellorussia? It's same than with Ukraine- most of the people don't support actions against Lukaszenko as well as against Kutschma. In survey's during orange 'revolution' was shown clearly- 80 % of Poles support the will of Ukrainians not Juszczenko neither Kutschma. Thoose actions taken by the goverment for Amerikkka money together with endorcers and small helpers of imperialism as polish liberals- which went to Ukraine during orange time and are trying to get to the Bellorussia. They are not supported by the nation, as well as war in Iraq etc. The gov. is spreading 'freedom' to the Bellarussia, in the same time ignoring ortodox minority in northeast Poland- last years they didn't get allowance for their temple, then the students that won't attend lessons because of chrismast eve but ortodox not catcholic would be punished. The organisations like: 'Intiative for Democracy in Bellarussia' etc. don't even hide that are funded by U$. More than half of members of Union of Poles in Belorussia, had in open letter condemn the rights of it's leader Angelica Borys to act against Lukaszenko. More over in Poland there have been taken actions against involvment of Poland i Belarussia. So don't write as "polish lords (read: all Poles) are harassing belarussian proles (read: all Belarussians). Quote: Well, that's what the union pact with Yeltsyn was all about. He wanted to receive gas and oil at domestic prices and resell it to Europe at world prices. The thing is, after their little Orange Revolition, Ukraine's economy growth fell fourfold, from 6% or even more, equivalent to Russia's to a lowly 1.5%. Kyrgyzstan's economy is declining at 1.5% a year after their revolution, though the change was probably for the better there. This is why no one wants any stupid revolution shit anymore. The thing about Lukashenko is that he subsidized industrial complexes in the 90's to stop them from becoming privatized and then extinct, and now they don't have to rebuild infrastructure for manifacturing like Russia does, as everything is already there. ![]() "Bleh, i don't even know what i'm arguing for. What a stupid rant. Disregard what i wrote." - Loz "Every time is gyros time" - Stalinista Quote: It's a figure of speech. Conquest in this context refers to domination by proxy rather than unleashing a ground invasion. Quote: My apologies. I'll from now on take into consideration that there are actually some progressive Polish people. banistansig2
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Nov 2005, 17:55 Party Bureaucrat
It's the Polish government and Polish business interests that are in play here, and I'm sure that's what Jacob Peters was referring to.
![]() "History is a set of lies agreed upon." --Napoleon Bonaparte
Maybe not only Polish interests. I have a suspicious feeling that Poland itself is a proxy in the greater scheme concerning Belarus.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Nov 2005, 17:55 Party Bureaucrat
Of course, Poland is only a proxy for the EU and possibly the US, although Polish business stands to benefit the most from spreading its vicious messages to Belarussians.
![]() "History is a set of lies agreed upon." --Napoleon Bonaparte Kirov wrote: They are not growing at 14% a year. I'd like to know how that numbers come up. Having 14% annual growth consecutively makes it the hgihest growing country in the world. The highest rank belongs to China. Belarus scores high on economic growth during 2004, accounting 11%, making it one of the highest (2nd place among CIS). Growth in 2005 is 9.2% cmoibenlepro wrote: You sir are a precious flower. Have you actually clarified whether the statistics are correct? Belarus high GDP may be seen as a good factor, not too mention that thanks to it 12.7% of headcount poverty has decreased. Yet it was able to accomplished so thanks to highly regulated and highly subsidized economy. When foreign competition is introduced, Belarus won't survive. The government has been able to survive because it limits the market. They also need to diversify their exports if they want to suceed. And prior to diversification of exports, what need to take place is reform. Something that Lukashenko is incapable of doing. 36% of their exports are to Russia and 60% of their imported goods come from Russia. You might get away with personal attacks in other forums, or when I miss it - but don't risk it. Consider this your warning. -TIG Edit Quote: Nope, Azerbaijan had 27% GDP growth this year, and similar for previous years. Yeah, Belarus had a growth rate of only 9.9%/year, which is higher than Russia's 6.9 - where the enterprises have been privatized. I don't see why they are not "succeeding." They are doing pretty damn well for an ex-Soviet country with no natural resources. ![]() "Bleh, i don't even know what i'm arguing for. What a stupid rant. Disregard what i wrote." - Loz "Every time is gyros time" - Stalinista Quote: You are looking only at the percentage, not the magnitude of GDP. Azerbaijan's GDP-PPP adjusted $ 58,100,000,000 (2006) China's GDP-PPP adjusted $ 10,000,000,000,000 (2006) Quote: Because in Russia, you have competition without proper law. Udermining the whole confidence of the economy. In Belarus, they have laws to prevent competition, profiting the state owned enterprises of theif monopolies. And if you actually compared the magnitude, Russia's GDP: $ 1,723,000,000,000 Belarus GDP: $ 80,740,000,000 Quote: Thank you! What could I say? Quote: Right. Quote: It seems that they see no reason to introduce it. ![]() Homer: "You guys are commies? Then why am I seeing free markets?" |
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