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the NeXT new commy/socialist states?(besideVietnam,China,etc

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Oct 2004, 05:33
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Post 08 Nov 2004, 09:05
what do comrades think? Which country in the world right now is pre-revolution state? I think Palestine is a good one to start a revolution and IFAIK some commy/leftist Palestine "terrorist"
are trying to do that, most noteable is Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) and Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)...

and The PKK /Kurds too but I dun know much about them (socialism + NATIONALISm)
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Post 08 Nov 2004, 11:59
Nepal has my best bet. They seem to have a strong movement there.
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Post 08 Nov 2004, 13:31
I agree with Crazy Ivan, Nepal seems on the point of revolution. I've seen videos of the people's army on TV, they look totally dedicated. I can't wait to see them march into Kathmandu later this year!
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Post 08 Nov 2004, 17:07
Hmm sorry to bust in on the discussion like that, but anyone mind sharing some of those videos?
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Post 08 Nov 2004, 17:11
Nepal, Peru and those other with powerful guerilla.
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Post 09 Nov 2004, 07:53
Eyeflash wrote:
Hmm sorry to bust in on the discussion like that, but anyone mind sharing some of those videos?


ditto

any website/more info about Nepal leftist movement?
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Post 09 Nov 2004, 18:19
Official website of the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist): http://www.cpnm.org/

a Nepal solidarity site: http://www.insof.org/

Revolutionary Worker page with articles on Nepal: http://rwor.org/s/nepal.htm
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 08 Aug 2004, 23:50
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Post 09 Nov 2004, 18:42
I also agree that Nepal is the closest to becomming the next new Socialist-Communist State.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jul 2004, 00:31
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Post 11 Nov 2004, 00:22
But how strong is the nepalese people's army? They don't even hold any major cities. Better read the Revolutionary worker...
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2004, 02:08
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Post 11 Nov 2004, 02:19
I can agree Nepal seems to be the most probable canditdate. I know within the last few years there has been a fairly large movement in Canada with the CPC and the Young Communist League. Its at a point where I think the CPC can become a regestered party......I know where I live there is huge potential for the movement, quite afew areas are fet up with the current system, and always get screwed over.......But Nepal looks like its ready
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Feb 2004, 06:15
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Post 13 Nov 2004, 18:48
I ask again: what hopes has Nepal (a small, backward, and isolated country) of becoming socialist? Bear in mind that noone will support that goverment. They dont have any possible socialist associate. The best they could hope is that one of the populist fascist govts pretending to be communist that are around (Cuba, Venezuela, etc...) decides to support it for PR, but it´s not like they´re very well off themselves...
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 02 Nov 2004, 00:22
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Post 14 Nov 2004, 13:46
Next communist country?

Europe.

in a long time, but i believe in it, if i didnt, i wouldnt be there anyway


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Massive strike, people demonstrating, etc etc.
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Post 15 Nov 2004, 01:10
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But how strong is the nepalese people's army? They don't even hold any major cities. Better read the Revolutionary worker...

That's because they are following a Maoist strategy of encircling the cities from the countryside. Once they control the countryside (which they have almost achieved), they will encircle the cities, cut them off and capture them. It worked in China and it seems to be working in Nepal. I estimate that within a few years at the outside, Nepal will be a Communist state.
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Post 15 Nov 2004, 01:13
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I ask again: what hopes has Nepal (a small, backward, and isolated country) of becoming socialist? Bear in mind that noone will support that goverment. They dont have any possible socialist associate. The best they could hope is that one of the populist fascist govts pretending to be communist that are around (Cuba, Venezuela, etc...) decides to support it for PR, but it´s not like they´re very well off themselves...

Why would they need external support? If necessary, they could always form a loose association with China, despite China's ideological capitulation to capitalism. Nepal would not necessarily have to follow China's economic policy in order to have economic and military links with her.
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Post 15 Nov 2004, 01:34
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Nepal, Peru and those other with powerful guerilla.

Nepal, yes. Peru, no. Since the capture of Guzman in the early 90s, the Shining Path has fragmented. It is now a spent force as a revolutionary guerilla army. It can no longer seriously threaten the stability of the Peruvian state. Nepal, however, looks much more promising....
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Post 15 Nov 2004, 12:23
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Why would they need external support? If necessary, they could always form a loose association with China, despite China's ideological capitulation to capitalism. Nepal would not necessarily have to follow China's economic policy in order to have economic and military links with her.


Because autarchies dont work, specially in countries which are smallish, backwards, and with a primitive industrial structure.

And the hopes of China helping the nepalese rebels is under zero. As of now, it´s helping the Nepalese monarchy. When (or rather, if) the revolution finally takes over the goverment, they likely wont be interested in helping it in any way... unless they become red capitalists, like themselves (which is likely.)
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Post 15 Nov 2004, 13:15
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Why would they need external support? If necessary, they could always form a loose association with China, despite China's ideological capitulation to capitalism. Nepal would not necessarily have to follow China's economic policy in order to have economic and military links with her.


Because autarchies dont work, specially in countries which are smallish, backwards, and with a primitive industrial structure.

And the hopes of China helping the nepalese rebels is under zero. As of now, it´s helping the Nepalese monarchy. When (or rather, if) the revolution finally takes over the goverment, they likely wont be interested in helping it in any way... unless they become red capitalists, like themselves (which is likely.)

I'm not saying the Nepalese Maoists should isolate themselves completely from the world economy. Clearly, this would be lunacy, and would likely result in the collapse of the Revolution within a few years. The Soviet Union could isolate itself for decades only because it had a vast internal market; Nepal is not in that position.

The Chinese government would be quite happy to deal with whoever happens to be in power in Nepal; China is in such an ideologically bankrupt state that they could happy switch allegiances without breaking stride. Something similar happened when Stalin supported the Nationalists in China against the Communists. When Mao took power in 1948, Stalin simply switched sides. China would no doubt do the same thing when the Maoists take power in Nepal. Nepal is strategically important to the Chinese government - they'll co-operate with anyone who has power there.

And China wouldn't necessarily insist that the Nepalese Maoists adopt the same state capitalist policies that China has - China supports the the Nepalese Royal Family without insisting that they adopt Communism as their official state ideology.
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Post 15 Nov 2004, 15:01
communist should get together for the new soviet union!
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Post 15 Nov 2004, 16:49
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communist should get together for the new soviet union!

Agreed. It doesn't even have to be a contiguous territory - there could be a single state system directing the building of socialism worldwide in a Union of Socialist States (USS), until the achievement of a communist society across the world leads to the withering away of the state itself.
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Post 16 Nov 2004, 15:45
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Wu wrote:
communist should get together for the new soviet union!

Agreed. It doesn't even have to be a contiguous territory - there could be a single state system directing the building of socialism worldwide in a Union of Socialist States (USS), until the achievement of a communist society across the world leads to the withering away of the state itself.


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