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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2004, 20:50
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Post 07 Nov 2004, 11:49
Everyone noticed that Jassir (Yasser) won't live any longer... so I am asking you these questions:

1) Who will be his successor?
2) Do you think that organisations like Hamas or Islamic Djihad (Jihad) will dominate?
3) Will the palestinian cause be lost for ever? (If radical organisations get more and more influent.)
4) And the most important question, was Arafat a good leader?



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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Feb 2004, 06:10
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Post 07 Nov 2004, 22:24
Spetsnaz.lu wrote:
1) Who will be his successor?
2) Do you think that organisations like Hamas or Islamic Djihad (Jihad) will dominate?
3) Will the palestinian cause be lost for ever? (If radical organisations get more and more influent.)
4) And the most important question, was Arafat a good leader?



1) Don't know, don't care. Hopefully the successor will die as well.
2) Hopefully not
3) Hopefully yes
4) No.... the sooner he dies, the better.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2004, 20:50
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Post 07 Nov 2004, 23:02
Wow, I would have never expected such an opinion from you, Laibach
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Post 08 Nov 2004, 00:43
really, I thought everyone knew that I'm extremely conservative when it comes to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.....

actually you were probably being saracastic, weren't you?

good one, you got me.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Jul 2004, 01:47
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Post 08 Nov 2004, 13:36
Spetsnaz.lu wrote:
Everyone noticed that Jassir (Yasser) won't live any longer... so I am asking you these questions:

1) Who will be his successor?
2) Do you think that organisations like Hamas or Islamic Djihad (Jihad) will dominate?
3) Will the palestinian cause be lost for ever? (If radical organisations get more and more influent.)
4) And the most important question, was Arafat a good leader?


1. Don't know and I don't think it matters. None of them will attain the authority Arafat had. Ergo, anarchy ahoy! And I think his old friends are like vultures, by the way, hovering over him, waiting for him to die. They make me sick.

2. Nah, don't think so. I'd say they are kind of over-rated, usually by people who hate the Palestinians. So they have an excuse for repressions.

3. A distinct possibility.


4. Yeah, I think he was. Even if he wasn't he was at least a real symbol of their resistance. I recall the siege of Bethlehem two years ago, and when he was basically sealed in by Israel. It was the first time I became interested in the conflict over there. I, for one, will miss Arafat.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 May 2004, 03:40
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Post 09 Nov 2004, 21:49
1) hopefully there will be one at all
2)doubt it
3)sadly, i believe so
4)In some ways yes, in some no, he was good because he stood up to the isrealis and fought for the palistinians, no because some of his methods, but overall he was good and when he dies there will be no figurehead to rally around for the caus of palistinian indipendence.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Feb 2004, 10:31
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Post 11 Nov 2004, 17:33
Sadly Mr. Arafat died today. Yes he did make many mistakes, but was probably the best leader the Palestinians could have had - fairly secular in his views, but strong enough to at least try to stand up against Israeli imperialism.
There is now a bit of a vacuum, with no obvious successor, but hopefully Hamas will not come to dominate. I don't believe you can just destroy a nation forever just like that, so, yes, the fight for the liberation of Palestine will go on, but this is undoubtably a major setback.
By the way, before anyone suggests it - I aren't anti-semitic in any way, but I do strongly believe in the right of the Palestinians to have their own state in Palestine.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Jul 2004, 01:47
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Post 11 Nov 2004, 21:36


I shed a few tears today. Especially when I recalled his last years as a virtual prisoner, the chaos that will ensue (possibly) and the last pictures of him in Palestine, blowing kisses to his people.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Sep 2004, 01:24
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Post 11 Nov 2004, 23:25
1) Dont know, whoever it is will likely be a minor player without widespread support
2) Unfortunately, yes. The secular liberation movement, at least for the time being, dies with him.
3) The struggle will only die with the last palestinian. They've proven themselves to be tough as nails.
4) no. thanks to the rampant corruption and theft of already severely limited palestinian resources under his watch (and with his consent), the struggle has been hamstringed, and secularism discredited.

Laibach-- do you oppose palestinian liberation because you believe you recieved a divine mandate to claim ownership of that land? Or do you have a more rational justification?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2004, 20:50
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Post 12 Nov 2004, 01:25
He offically died yesterday. It is a dark day in history, because it shows us once more, that the will to fight imperialist oppression is hard and sometimes unsuccessful!

Concerning point number 4:

Well I think that we have to make a diffrence between two periodes in his life!

The first would be his guerilla fight and the second his political fight. So please make your comments about this, concidering this difference!

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 23 Feb 2004, 07:06
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Post 12 Nov 2004, 19:12
1) Probably someone from the Fatah movement.
2) Hamas , Hezbollah , Whatever factions are in Palestine...They wont be able to support the struggle financially now that Arafat is gone.
3)No it wont.
4)I give him a C+ for leadership
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 02 Nov 2004, 00:22
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Post 12 Nov 2004, 20:19
4) i dont live in palestine, but dieing with a bank account fille dup with 1 billion $, i think, tells a lot.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Feb 2004, 06:15
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Post 12 Nov 2004, 20:33
Hrmm, yet Arafat did not lead an opulent lifestyle... for what I´ve read, that money was used mostly in political maneuvers.

Frankly, I dont think that the "Palestinian cause will be lost forever". One way or another, the palestinians will get some kind of state. Of course, it will remain semi-colonial and exploited in truth, but bear in mind that right now the palestine cause is that of the nationalist burgoise. There wont be true freedom for the palestinians nor for the israelians until there´s a world socialist revolution
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Nov 2004, 16:51
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Post 19 Nov 2004, 16:21
At least,he is a person with great will power.
He is the sun of palestinians.
No one can replace his position in palestinians' heart.
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