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Anti War Group Sues Over NYC Rally Permit Denial

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Jul 2004, 23:58
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Post 14 Aug 2004, 06:57
I don't care what you think of ANSWER/WWP-- this is BS. They should march anyways:

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08/13/2004 23:51:10 EST Group Sues Over NYC Rally Permit Denial
By LARRY NEUMEISTER
Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK - An anti-war group and an organization of Arab-Americans filed a lawsuit Friday challenging New York City's denial of a permit for a civil rights rally in Central Park two days before the Republican National Convention.
The anti-war ANSWER coalition and the National Council of Arab Americans said in the lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, that they were unfairly denied a permit for an Aug. 28 rally on the Great Lawn by the city Department of Parks and Recreation.

The parks department was listed as a defendant along with Mayor Michael Bloomberg and the police department.

Kate O'Brien Ahlers, a spokeswoman for the city law office, said: "We have made several efforts to reach these groups over the past few months and have not had a response. Therefore, their suit came as a surprise."

Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, a lawyer for the Partnership for Civil Justice and the National Lawyers Guild, said the rejection of the permit "appears to be very content-based discrimination," especially in regards to the Arab-American group.

The lawsuit said the rally was "an assembly of the most targeted and vulnerable communities - Arabs, Arab-Americans and Muslims - standing shoulder to shoulder in solidarity with thousands of others, collectively demanding an end to the U.S. government's wars of aggression and disregard of civil rights and liberties."

Another group, United for Peace and Justice, has also threatened to sue after it was denied a permit to stage an Aug. 29 rally in Central Park, just before the start of the convention, scheduled for Aug. 30-Sept. 2.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Mar 2004, 03:27
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Post 14 Aug 2004, 17:57
Whatever happened to freedom of the people to assemble and petition the government. Sounds like a violation of the first amendment to me.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 May 2003, 23:58
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Post 14 Aug 2004, 23:51
"Whatever happened to freedom of the people to assemble and petition the government..."

Looks just GREAT on paper, doesn't it? This, of course, would actually apply to a FREE country. Saddly, I don't see one around here (lives in the US).
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Post 15 Aug 2004, 00:37
Ya know what Sergei... I haven't been hearing people saying that like i used to.

Just a random encounter and you hear someone say "it's a free country, I can do that if I want"...

And last week, when I traveled into Canada I noticed a huge difference in crossing into canada and back into the US. The Canadian border guards were very friendly and even made small talk. The US border guards were rude, demanding and idiotic in their inability to understand sarcasm and humor (I crossed with my dad, he had both our passports in hand and asked me in a stern voice "how do you know this man?!", I replied, "ummm, I think he's my dad, but it might have really been the mailman").

I guess it's a sign of how things have changed in the past 10 years or so. Hell, a few weeks ago I was driving around at about 3:30 AM and I got pulled over for absolutely no reason. Apparently driving around at 3:30 AM is suspicious in the modern day US. I for one ask Big Brother to bring it on...
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Post 15 Aug 2004, 02:01
I didn't think you needed a passport or visa or anything to get into Canada... but yes, the Canadian border guards are much friendlier.
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Post 15 Aug 2004, 02:31
I can't get into Canada anymore because of an old conviction. I had visited Canada 7 times after the conviction but prior to 9/11 no problems at all. 9/11 changed a lot for the worse. I remember seeing those towers going down and thinking, a lot of bad sh*t's gonna go down now.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 Aug 2004, 05:13
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Post 15 Aug 2004, 03:48
Well I just found out my govenor is gay and there making a big hissy fit about it... Why?
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Post 15 Aug 2004, 04:15
America is going to the dogs.
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Post 15 Aug 2004, 05:36
Vladimir Nikolai wrote:
I didn't think you needed a passport or visa or anything to get into Canada... but yes, the Canadian border guards are much friendlier.


You don't, but you should have your passport (which i did have on me) or your birth certificate with you. They actually checked the walleye we brought back, but that was it. Also, the line for entering the US is a lot longer thanks to their methods opposed to the canadian crossing.
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Post 15 Aug 2004, 22:59
"a few weeks ago I was driving around at about 3:30 AM and I got pulled over for absolutely no reason. Apparently driving around at 3:30 AM is suspicious in the modern day US"

Oddly? The very same thing happened to ME in 1974
My first wife & I were driving around at 3 AM looking at houses, thinking about renting one. I got pulled over by the local police
And I did NOT move my hands off the wheel


I guess my point would be this - the US is not less free than it was 30 years ago... It IS far less free than it was 100 years ago. We are experiencing nothing less than the decline of a Capitalistic nation - had to happen eventually.
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Post 15 Aug 2004, 23:04
i would disagree actually. I'd say there have been considerable changes since 9-11. More of it mental than anything. For instance, like I mentioned at the border crossings. Sense of humor is no longer allowed. You can't make jokes, no matter how obvious. I think it has become more acceptable for authority figures to do certain things so long as "they are in the interests" of the community. Some states are worse than others, and I think Illinois in particular (my parents live there) has taken it way way to far with some of the laws they've passed to prevent terrorism.
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Post 16 Aug 2004, 18:10
I tend to think the decline of capitalism happened in the Great Depression. New Deal reforms alongside munician sales from WWII created a temporary float to capitalism.

However, the New Deal is almost completly taken down now, and the economic highs from WWII are really on the decline now, so the articifial 'bubble' the west has been in as now declining again - as it's naturally going to do.

The thing I'm really concerned about is the media being so one-sided but still having the reputation as having a 'liberal bias' so as to make many beleive that the more conservitive the more true.

Here's a fun link about protests:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/ ... index.html

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Post 06 Sep 2004, 04:22
That damned Patriot Act
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Post 06 Sep 2004, 13:07
There has been a story that a few months ago of a British tourist coming home from america, and she made up a joke about having a bomb in her bag, something along the lines of "oh yeah, I got a bomb (;)
)" and the american customs took her seriously!
I mean, paranoia is one thing, but this is another!!
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Post 06 Sep 2004, 13:10
Well that is pretty stiped considering how americans are these days.
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Post 06 Sep 2004, 14:19
Considering what happened it´s a pretty retarded joke
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Post 06 Sep 2004, 14:27
Well, I assume that she added heavy layers of sarcasm to the words, and laughed about it, it just emphasises the point of not being able to make jokes with people, for fear of being blown up by a H-Bomb that someone may have strapped to their y-fronts.
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Post 06 Sep 2004, 15:58
In the current context, sarcasm enough would not be enough. But in fact, I read it on a newspaper, and the retard made the "What do you think, that I´ve got a bomb inside my bag?" joke, saw that it did not inspire any laughs, and tried a bomb joke again a few minutes later. You know Einstein´s saying "Foolishness is to try the same thing over and over and expect different results"
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Post 06 Sep 2004, 16:26
It would be idiocy trying the same thing again in the same conditions....unless you're hoping for something rather sponatneous to happen and a border guard to lose their marbles and slap themselves with an anchovy.
Well, i do see the point now, she must have been rather stupid to try the same joke twice. I only thought she tried it once however.
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Post 06 Sep 2004, 18:13
There were many cases, actually, with varying degrees about the joke
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