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China's commitment to the Communist World

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 16:42
Party Member
Post 27 Jul 2004, 05:22
listen, if we can make the people believe that China is Communist and they see how prosper it is, they will join Copmmunist parties.
its a little tricky but its all for the best of the cause!\
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 25 Jul 2004, 20:17
Komsomol
Post 27 Jul 2004, 05:54
You know, that is really not that bad of an idea. how would you explain all of the tall business buildings and corprate advertisements that are all over the country though?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 16:42
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Post 27 Jul 2004, 09:03
we can just say that people is free of making business but with regulates wages and a lot of rights and this bunch of stuff, my idea is not that bad, just mnake believe the people that china is communist and when they see how good they live they will join our cause.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jun 2004, 17:30
Politburo
Post 27 Jul 2004, 18:15
But then we'd be lying!

Communism is a good system because it is scientifically sound - we don't need to lie about the advances of China so that we can make it look better!

Instead ask what about the bottom, exploited masses in China? The lack of a real minimum wage? Just because the wealthy live in big buildings doesn't mean people are free, or people are prosperous.

If the only good things you can think to say about communism are lies, than don't bother calling me your comrade.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Feb 2004, 06:15
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Post 27 Jul 2004, 19:29
"how good they live"?

The new "red capitalists" elite live very well, certainly, and I suppose the scarce middle class does too, if you ignore the deprivement of civil rights they suffer from their fascist goverment, but the bunch of the country is miserably poor, and economic differences increase further everyday.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 May 2004, 03:40
Komsomol
Post 28 Jul 2004, 03:43
I'd prefer to show them the DPRK(or no. korea if I got the letters wrong) or Lenin's Soviet Union.
The revolucion will come to amerika and i will be there awaiting it
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Mar 2004, 15:53
Pioneer
Post 28 Jul 2004, 04:00
I think China has pursued the Correct path to Peace and Prosperity. I think people in the West are jealous of their success so they pretend it is not real. China has lifted itself out of poverty to earned the role of leader of the International Proletariat. The Imperialist countries are collapsing into poverty through war and oppression. The uselessness of the pseudoSocialists which the West produces is just another manifestation of its overall obsolescense.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 25 Jul 2004, 20:17
Komsomol
Post 28 Jul 2004, 04:10
Looting wrote:
I think China has pursued the Correct path to Peace and Prosperity. I think people in the West are jealous of their success so they pretend it is not real. China has lifted itself out of poverty to earned the role of leader of the International Proletariat. The Imperialist countries are collapsing into poverty through war and oppression. The uselessness of the pseudoSocialists which the West produces is just another manifestation of its overall obsolescense.


China on their own state tv admits that they are capitalist. They call it one country two systems.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jul 2004, 23:46
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Post 28 Jul 2004, 16:56
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China on their own state tv admits that they are capitalist. They call it one country two systems.


That is correct, but when one hears the stories of just some of the millions of cases that poor Chinese citizens have appealed to the courts (mainly under communist control, not capitalist) and the "brush-off' they get, you will understand that control breeds corruption no matter what system is followed. The corruption within the controlling bodies that call themselves communist is in my mind, the reason why some call them traitors, basically a traitor to the idealistic "beliefs" of communism (it could be any system's stated beliefs). I may be wrong, some may be naming them traitors simply because they have been using capitalism for years to help boost their economy, simplistic at the least.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Mar 2004, 15:53
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Post 28 Jul 2004, 18:45
I thought One Country Two Systems refers to the Situation with Hong Kong and soon Taiwan.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 25 Jul 2004, 20:17
Komsomol
Post 28 Jul 2004, 21:06
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I thought One Country Two Systems refers to the Situation with Hong Kong and soon Taiwan.


This is true, but the main land also considers itself to be capitalist now. I have stated in the past that they are requesting countries to recognize their economy as a market economy. Malaysia is the latest country to recognize their market economy.

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... control breeds corruption no matter what system...

I 100% agree with this. It does not matter what system is in play in any country, the more bureaucracy the more corruption.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Mar 2004, 15:53
Pioneer
Post 28 Jul 2004, 22:02
I thought efforts to have it declared a market economy are related to the WTO and efforts by Capitalist countries to protect their Businesses from Chinese competition using unfair tariffs
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 25 Jul 2004, 20:17
Komsomol
Post 29 Jul 2004, 03:54
Looting wrote:
I thought efforts to have it declared a market economy are related to the WTO and efforts by Capitalist countries to protect their Businesses from Chinese competition using unfair tariffs


This may be true. I do not know. I just know that the official position of the government in China now is that it has a market econ. with a rulling communist party.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 23 Feb 2004, 07:06
Pioneer
Post 29 Jul 2004, 06:28
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Malaysia is the latest country to recognize their market economy.


Malaysia has had diplomatic relations with China for 20 years...of course
we acknowledge their market economy....Russia could learn from China.

The prolonging of capitalism is essential to the development of socialism-communism...I'm sure most of you has read the Communist Manifesto.
You expect the whole world to see the truth and support our cause right away?
Stop being an idealist......
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 25 Jul 2004, 20:17
Komsomol
Post 29 Jul 2004, 07:56
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The prolonging of capitalism is essential to the development of socialism-communism...


True, but China has done a complete 360 and now is a capiltalist country. the only thing that China wants with communism is the communist party. and the only reason why it wants the communist party is so it can maintain its anti-democratic system that really came into being after Mao.

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Stop being an idealist......

I am not being an idealist, I am just stating that China has for the most part abandoned socialism. Just take a look at what Deng Xiaoping has to say:
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To be rich is glorious.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 23 Feb 2004, 02:21
Pioneer
Post 01 Aug 2004, 06:12
FrankBlack wrote:
It's nothing of that damned description! It's only a dictatorship, like Cuba, but Cuba has a working Socialist system in it. China has a Capitalist Society that takes more rights away from the wage-slaves then your average Capitalist society will.




Obviously you haven't looked into this subject much.

I have.


Chinas rate of privatisation is growing and growing at hurricane speed.
Practically ALL collectivisation and other such land reform was done away with back in the 70's
I believe that a mere 4th (but I may be wrong) of the heavy industry in the nation is still considered "national"

Another point is that Chinas workers aren't allowed to unionize
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 23 Feb 2004, 02:21
Pioneer
Post 01 Aug 2004, 06:14
Red Revolucion wrote:
I'd prefer to show them the DPRK(or no. korea if I got the letters wrong) or Lenin's Soviet Union.



Lets not forget red china from the days of the "red zones" and then the "chinese soviet republic" all the way to the PRC until the mid 70's


That's like 50 years of real socialism
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 May 2004, 03:40
Komsomol
Post 01 Aug 2004, 06:31
Yes, true
The revolucion will come to amerika and i will be there awaiting it
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There is a little bit of Che in all of us
-reh reh , red revolucion
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 23 Feb 2004, 02:21
Pioneer
Post 01 Aug 2004, 06:34
Xleft-oppositionX wrote:
FrankBlack wrote:
It's nothing of that damned description! It's only a dictatorship, like Cuba, but Cuba has a working Socialist system in it. China has a Capitalist Society that takes more rights away from the wage-slaves then your average Capitalist society will.




Obviously you haven't looked into this subject much.

I have.


Chinas rate of privatisation is growing and growing at hurricane speed.
Practically ALL collectivisation and other such land reform was done away with back in the 70's
I believe that a mere 4th (but I may be wrong) of the heavy industry in the nation is still considered "national"

Another point is that Chinas workers aren't allowed to unionize



Whoops..I think I meant to reply to some other comment
“Bourgeois-Nationalism and Proletarian-Internationalism are two implacably opposed slogans...”
- Vladimir Illyich Ulyanov (LENIN)
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Mar 2004, 15:53
Pioneer
Post 01 Aug 2004, 13:50
I will stand shoulder to shoulder with the Chinese people while you all wallow in chauvinism and ethnocentrism. The Chinese people are building the future. while you are mired in the dustbin of history, unable even to stand up. In case you dont realize it, all of your vain huffing and puffing will get you nowhere. It is you who lack commitment to the Communist World, your commitment is to Imperialism, whose lies and hatred you mindlessly parrot. Until you overcome your nationalism, you will never be able to support the international proletariate. You are just a bunch of sore losers!
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