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 29 Mar 2010, 21:41
Quote: Source That sounds like progress. The moment one accepts the notion of 'totalitarianism', one is firmly locked within the liberal-democratic horizon. - Slavoj Žižek
29 Mar 2010, 21:44
The 21st century is going to be awesome.
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29 Mar 2010, 21:52
That's very interesting. I've to say that I had almost lost my hopes for Vietnam, but these are really encouraging words.
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There's a longer article in the online ENglish language version of the Party newspaper: http://www.nhandan.com.vn/english/news/290310/domestic_ts.htm
I love how the rushed translation actually calls them "Party Elites". The moment one accepts the notion of 'totalitarianism', one is firmly locked within the liberal-democratic horizon. - Slavoj Žižek
29 Mar 2010, 22:39
That sounds great. I haven't read much on what Vietnam's plan for socialism is. I've mostly considered it similar to that of the PRC but they hardly talk about socialism and place a lot of emphasis on purely economic development.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo 30 Mar 2010, 00:39
This is excellent news. I didn't realise the Left faction of the Vietnam CP had become influential enough to push for reforms on this scale. I'd been thinking that Vietnam might head in a Socialist direction after such reform had begun in China, but if what I read here pans out (and let's be honest it might not. Policies can change) it could be the other way around.
I'll be keeping a close eye on this. 02 Apr 2010, 12:20
Fundamental infrastructure for a socialist economy will be completed. Yes that is right, but it doesn't mean Vietnam is heading toward socialism (now and after 2020).
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Let's work hard and do valorous deed! 04 Apr 2010, 22:04
Vietnam has enjoyed fast growth rates since the Doi Moi reforms and hopefully it would grow for some time before the inevitable slowdown in growth. They still have a long way to go before developing the infrastructure as their GDP per capita is $2,900 est. 2009 (not the best indicator of living standards but still), far below than that of countries like Guyana, Iraq and Mongolia but this is excellent news.
18 Apr 2010, 16:18
Yes this is true BUT we don't follow the PRC any more. What they bring to us, which make thousands of our people die each year is enough.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jan 2010, 05:46 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Party Member 20 May 2010, 18:59
I can't wait to see how Vietnam changes
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 May 2010, 07:43 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo 21 May 2010, 02:16
CPSR wrote: From what I understand, PR China and Vietnam have not really been on good terms since Vietnam developed better relations with the USSR and when China and Vietnam had some border skirmishes that escalated into a full-blown war. There have been some closer economic ties in recent years, but I'm not too familiar with what's been happening since. Quote: What exactly do you mean by that? I don't think I follow exactly, and like I said, I'm not too familiar with the dealings between the two countries. “Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals” - Mark Twain
22 May 2010, 02:42
Komissar_KW wrote: I would take an educated guess that it is Vietnamese migrant workers who go to the PRC for jobs. "By what standard of morality can the violence used by a slave to break his chains be considered the same as the violence of a slave master?" - Walter Rodney 31 May 2010, 04:18
Though I am not admittedly up to speed with Vietnam, given the inherently Dengist reforms made throughout its existence I have doubts. A revisionist country wishing for socialism seems iffy.
I'm also still not particularly sure of what specifically is to be changed and how socialism will come for Vietnam. 01 Jun 2010, 16:19
Well it seems to be complicated now. I hope we won't follow China's way.
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Leonid Brezhnev 02 Jun 2010, 00:54
Haven't you already followed it? Doi Moi seems very much like a Vietnamese version of Deng Xiaoping thought to me
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03 Jun 2010, 17:23
It looks much alike. But it has some differences...
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Leonid Brezhnev 03 Jun 2010, 17:29
Quote: And what would these be? 
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2007, 23:25 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Komsomol 17 Jan 2011, 13:05
A few weeks ago, I was in Pretoria, South Africa, for the International Festival of Youth and Students, an worldwide meeting of the international anti-imperialist World Federation of Democratic Youth.
The Vietnamese delegation organised a Conference there in which they stated that "Vietnam is on the road towards Socialism and is marching down that road every single day" and is "implementing Socialism every year a bit more". This was a very interesting revelation for me, to hear such an honest and frankly, humble speech from a delegate of a nation that has fought over thirty years for its Liberation. According to the Vietnamese delegation, the market reforms were implemented in order to quickly rebuild and advance Vietnam's completely ruined economy, a goal which has been largely accomplished, paving the way for true Socialism to advance.  "Communism is more about love for mankind than about politics." Me |
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