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is vietnam really comie??

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Sep 2008, 17:13
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Post 26 Jun 2009, 21:22
Hi.

Of course we are interested. Do tell more about socialist Vietnam. I am from norway and have many vietnamese friends.
I think Vietnam still socialist - but the working-class and party must just uphold marxisml-leninism and socialist path while modernasing society.

Because a socialist society not everyone can be farmers, like in Vietnam is really many farmers. They need to industrialise. The socialist camp with Soviet Union is gone. They need tehnology, dollar and euro to buy raw material etc and make trade.

Doi Moi - i think has been, still is at the moment- right socialist path taken by the party and the working-class to safeguard and strenghten Vietnam socialism and build prosperous socialist nation towards communism.


But I really want to know more about the plans of the party, regarding the class-struggle, and the last years to come of DOI MOI, and plans for after Doi Moi, plans for socialisting the whole economy under a planned central economy as it should be again.

So please inform us more about the work of the vietnamese communist, the party and HCMCY Union, and the plans for future, the current problems etc.

Viva Uncle Ho and heroic vietnamese working people!
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Post 26 Jun 2009, 21:32
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Hey why no one care about VN???


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Post 10 Jul 2009, 04:43
You're right Kirov
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...It's real. But they familiarize themselves with that.
I can't tell all about my country here but there'll be some photos of my city. Wait a moment
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Post 10 Jul 2009, 21:00
Waiting...

And is nice with vietnamese families with lots of peoples..and nice food


do you eat tung-i-ramen?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Feb 2004, 11:09
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Post 24 Jul 2009, 03:30
Vietnam has some socialist aspects...

The problem is Vietnam is just completely, and hopelessly corrupt on the local level.
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Post 24 Jul 2009, 14:44
So is Australia actually. Some people want to get rid of local government altogether.
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 04:38
Of course all countries building socialism will have big problems, because of different objective and subjective factors related to historical development,cultural, social political issues of each countrie...and the fact that is no paradise when comin to socialism but continued clas-struggle until communism..some periods wors than other..some problems bigger than other...

But we have to analyse and get better in every aspect, is the only way.

China, Vietnam and Laos and their so-called market-socialist course must be analysed in depth...and you must not forget the international situation with the bourgoeis,imperialist forces controlling the most(even tough China is big
) of the world and the eceonomy following the catastrophic counter-revolution in USSR and former socialist countries 1989-1991..

Difference between Aust and VietNam...is that a soc revolution has happened...the working-class in power..(at least on paper)..that Australia have totally capitalist mode of production under an capitalist state, while Vietnam had socialist mode of production under workers state, before they introduced capitalist elements in their economy, but this is still, under an WORKERS STATE...

As Lenin stated: State capitalism in a bourgeois and in a proletarian state is to different things. In the first state capialism is used to develop,promote,secure the interest of borugeois and capitalist, while state capitalism in a socialist worker state is used to promote,develop,secure interest of the working-class and poor and to create the level of economic development who can ensure totally socialist mode of production, until total communism with total communist economy...The forces of production must reach the socialist mode of production..

anyway.. I think that the experience of Vietnam and China are not tottally the same..but all should be studied very well to learn lessons from socialist contruction..
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 11:05
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Some people want to get rid of local government altogether.


lolwut? Like... get rid of every form of governance on the city level? Is the federal government supposed to decide whether a traffic light should be put up in some village, or what?
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 11:46
I know. It's not exactly realistic. Some people here are just so fed up with local councils that they can't think of a good alternative. My point is that Vietnam is far from alone.
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 11:53
I guess it's that way in the whole world. I can't really think of a non-corrupt country at the moment.
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 13:06
What about the UN?
Our government really sUCKs now. I wanna leave my country but I can't think of any better communist place so I stay here.
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 13:09
Cuba? Venezuela?
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 15:55
Noooo I can't speak Spanish.
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 16:17
Why Vietnam is suck? I don't understand.
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 22:37
^ Because Vietnam threw out the planned economy and is open to foreign investment. Or I dunno
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 22:45
Yeah, being open to foreign investment's a mistake for Vietnam.
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 23:24
Actually, sticking to autarchy like North Korea does would be a much bigger mistake for Vietnam. Developed productive forces are a necessary prerequisite for socialism.
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 23:31
North Korea gets investment from China, you know.
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Post 27 Jul 2009, 00:12
Yeah. Now compare the amount of investment that North Korea gets with the amount of investment that Vietnam gets.

Then, proceed to compare the standard of living in North Korea with the standard of living in Vietnam.

Notice something?
Last edited by Mabool on 27 Jul 2009, 09:24, edited 1 time in total.
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Post 27 Jul 2009, 01:58
Fine, you've got a point.
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