Hi.
Of course we are interested. Do tell more about socialist Vietnam. I am from norway and have many vietnamese friends. I think Vietnam still socialist - but the working-class and party must just uphold marxisml-leninism and socialist path while modernasing society. Because a socialist society not everyone can be farmers, like in Vietnam is really many farmers. They need to industrialise. The socialist camp with Soviet Union is gone. They need tehnology, dollar and euro to buy raw material etc and make trade. Doi Moi - i think has been, still is at the moment- right socialist path taken by the party and the working-class to safeguard and strenghten Vietnam socialism and build prosperous socialist nation towards communism. But I really want to know more about the plans of the party, regarding the class-struggle, and the last years to come of DOI MOI, and plans for after Doi Moi, plans for socialisting the whole economy under a planned central economy as it should be again. So please inform us more about the work of the vietnamese communist, the party and HCMCY Union, and the plans for future, the current problems etc. Viva Uncle Ho and heroic vietnamese working people! "For us there is no valid definition of socialism other than the abolition of the exploitation of one human being by another."
Quote: many people little land ![]() "Bleh, i don't even know what i'm arguing for. What a stupid rant. Disregard what i wrote." - Loz "Every time is gyros time" - Stalinista
You're right Kirov ...My ex-neighbor house is 12 square metres wide but 11 people live in it. ...It's real. But they familiarize themselves with that.
I can't tell all about my country here but there'll be some photos of my city. Wait a moment "Whatever may divide us, Europe is a common home, a common fate that has linked us for years, and it continues to link us today."
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Waiting...
And is nice with vietnamese families with lots of peoples..and nice food do you eat tung-i-ramen? "For us there is no valid definition of socialism other than the abolition of the exploitation of one human being by another."
Vietnam has some socialist aspects...
The problem is Vietnam is just completely, and hopelessly corrupt on the local level.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo
So is Australia actually. Some people want to get rid of local government altogether.
Of course all countries building socialism will have big problems, because of different objective and subjective factors related to historical development,cultural, social political issues of each countrie...and the fact that is no paradise when comin to socialism but continued clas-struggle until communism..some periods wors than other..some problems bigger than other...
But we have to analyse and get better in every aspect, is the only way. China, Vietnam and Laos and their so-called market-socialist course must be analysed in depth...and you must not forget the international situation with the bourgoeis,imperialist forces controlling the most(even tough China is big ) of the world and the eceonomy following the catastrophic counter-revolution in USSR and former socialist countries 1989-1991.. Difference between Aust and VietNam...is that a soc revolution has happened...the working-class in power..(at least on paper)..that Australia have totally capitalist mode of production under an capitalist state, while Vietnam had socialist mode of production under workers state, before they introduced capitalist elements in their economy, but this is still, under an WORKERS STATE... As Lenin stated: State capitalism in a bourgeois and in a proletarian state is to different things. In the first state capialism is used to develop,promote,secure the interest of borugeois and capitalist, while state capitalism in a socialist worker state is used to promote,develop,secure interest of the working-class and poor and to create the level of economic development who can ensure totally socialist mode of production, until total communism with total communist economy...The forces of production must reach the socialist mode of production.. anyway.. I think that the experience of Vietnam and China are not tottally the same..but all should be studied very well to learn lessons from socialist contruction.. "For us there is no valid definition of socialism other than the abolition of the exploitation of one human being by another."
Quote: lolwut? Like... get rid of every form of governance on the city level? Is the federal government supposed to decide whether a traffic light should be put up in some village, or what? "Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo
I know. It's not exactly realistic. Some people here are just so fed up with local councils that they can't think of a good alternative. My point is that Vietnam is far from alone.
I guess it's that way in the whole world. I can't really think of a non-corrupt country at the moment.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
What about the UN? Our government really sUCKs now. I wanna leave my country but I can't think of any better communist place so I stay here.
"Whatever may divide us, Europe is a common home, a common fate that has linked us for years, and it continues to link us today."
Leonid Brezhnev ![]()
Cuba? Venezuela?
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
Noooo I can't speak Spanish.
"Whatever may divide us, Europe is a common home, a common fate that has linked us for years, and it continues to link us today."
Leonid Brezhnev ![]()
Why Vietnam is suck? I don't understand.
"Stalin brought us up — on loyalty to the people, He inspired us to labor and to heroism!" Soviet Anthem 1944.
Let's work hard and do valorous deed!
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Oct 2007, 15:55 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Party Member
^ Because Vietnam threw out the planned economy and is open to foreign investment. Or I dunno
We have beaten you to the moon, but you have beaten us in sausage making.- Nikita Khrushchev
Yeah, being open to foreign investment's a mistake for Vietnam.
"Without revolutionary theory there cannot be a revolutionary movement." - Vladimir Lenin, What Is To Be Done?
Actually, sticking to autarchy like North Korea does would be a much bigger mistake for Vietnam. Developed productive forces are a necessary prerequisite for socialism.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
North Korea gets investment from China, you know.
"Without revolutionary theory there cannot be a revolutionary movement." - Vladimir Lenin, What Is To Be Done?
Yeah. Now compare the amount of investment that North Korea gets with the amount of investment that Vietnam gets.
Then, proceed to compare the standard of living in North Korea with the standard of living in Vietnam. Notice something? Last edited by Mabool on 27 Jul 2009, 09:24, edited 1 time in total.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
Fine, you've got a point.
"Without revolutionary theory there cannot be a revolutionary movement." - Vladimir Lenin, What Is To Be Done?
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