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Local created European 5th Gen Fighters?

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Post 08 Apr 2012, 19:49
Does anyone have any info on United Kingdom, France, Germany, maybe even Italy, Spain, that plan on creating their own 5th generation aircraft, I tried looking but can't find anything.

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Post 10 Apr 2012, 19:47
From my understanding, there are no such plans. For a new fighter to enter service in the next ten years, its design would have to have started at least ten year ago, no design work have been done, and it's too late to start now.
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Post 10 Apr 2012, 20:57
Does it actually take two whole decades to design/build/debug a plane from scratch to mass production?
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Post 10 Apr 2012, 21:28
Yes, the design of YF-22 started in 1986, first flew in 1990, and F-22 entered service in 2005.
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Post 10 Apr 2012, 22:43
Wow. Do militaries begin designing the next generation of airplanes since before the current-gen sees service?
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Post 11 Apr 2012, 02:27
France is having a really hard time selling the Rafale, which is very similar and some say better than the Eurofighter. If the crisis continues, both planes might fade away into the dust of history...


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Post 11 Apr 2012, 05:18
If the Soviet Union had not fallen and the Yak 141 VTOL had gone on to be fully developed with full production instead of being butchered and scavenged by america to develop the F-35, What generation would it have been classed as?
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Post 11 Apr 2012, 17:02
KlassWar wrote:
Wow. Do militaries begin designing the next generation of airplanes since before the current-gen sees service?

For the US, it was soon after, F-15 entered service in 1976, and specifications for ATF came out in 1981.
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If the Soviet Union had not fallen and the Yak 141 VTOL had gone on to be fully developed with full production instead of being butchered and scavenged by america to develop the F-35, What generation would it have been classed as?

4th generation.
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Post 12 Apr 2012, 05:23
I found one for Germany called "MBB Lampyridae" made in the 80's but canceled. Now I have to find a French one.
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Post 12 Apr 2012, 07:37
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I found one for Germany called "MBB Lampyridae" made in the 80's but canceled. Now I have to find a French one.

It is low observble, but I wouldn't call it 5th generation, as it still uses first generation LO technologies similar to those usd on F-117 and doesn't seem to be very manoeuverable or capable of super cruise. None of the Europea nations are capable of developing a 5th generation fghter on its own, if they can all work together, maybe, but that's unlikely to happen.
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Post 12 Apr 2012, 15:53
James Kennedy wrote:
It is low observble, but I wouldn't call it 5th generation, as it still uses first generation LO technologies similar to those usd on F-117 and doesn't seem to be very manoeuverable or capable of super cruise. None of the Europea nations are capable of developing a 5th generation fghter on its own, if they can all work together, maybe, but that's unlikely to happen.


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Post 29 Apr 2012, 11:26
James Kennedy wrote:
Yes, the design of YF-22 started in 1986, first flew in 1990, and F-22 entered service in 2005.


If I remember correctly, the programme was delayed a bit due the end of the Cold War. It's not unrealistic for a new programme to see planes in the air after 15 years. Less if it is rushed.
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Post 08 May 2012, 23:44
I can't wait for the Sukhoi PAK FA to come out in 2015/16 to compete with the F-22 Raptor.

Che Burashka wrote:
France is having a really hard time selling the Rafale, which is very similar and some say better than the Eurofighter. If the crisis continues, both planes might fade away into the dust of history...

India has already bought 126 Rafale units from France and Brazil will likely choose Rafale as well over the F-18 and Gripen-NG, which means that the aircraft has some life left.
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