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Florida v. Cuba.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Aug 2007, 05:36
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Post 24 Mar 2009, 16:09
The scenario needs to be simplified. What if they said, for arguments sake, that all the resources of both Countries (States) were funneled into the war. Because the problem the discussion is having is that Cuba already has a centralized economy so its easier for them to fuel a war effort, Florida isn't. The assumption that they would continue decentralization during a time is war would be a bit ridiculious. I think it would be easier if we just assumed both sides went all out in terms of man power (some people stay in factories obviously) and materials.

Then simplify it further by saying one is bent on take over of the other. So if Cuba doesn't take over Florida then Florida takes over Cuba or something like that. But that's just an idea to help the discussion along
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Post 31 Mar 2009, 01:01
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The scenario needs to be simplified.


that is the point of war though, scenarios arnt simple in real warfare there are either two equally adept opponents or one strong one and one weak one, or a presumably weak one that proves to be more difficult, turning into the former of two equally adept opponents,

the point of this scenario is to see whether or not florida would stand against cuba period, the fact that cuba would have a more centralized economy would in this case be a natural advantage of that country, thus giving cuba an edge, and instead of being modified for the scenario, should be taken into account and be put under the pro list for cuba

the fact of the matter is war, no matter the situation is never simple, and by simplifying it to the point you request takes away the point of the first question, much like using a superfluous amount of cheats in a video game, it takes away the point
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Post 02 Apr 2009, 20:53
Cuba. Cuba is a country and Florida is a state. Florida would have guns and airplanes and Cuba would have bombs, tanks, ships, airplanes and guns. So we would lost Florida unless the US fought with them. Which I don't know why we'd let Florida fight Cuba all by themselves because it's our state but I guess the US is being stupid there.
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Post 02 Apr 2009, 22:51
Superutails you realize how ridiculous your analysis is right?
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Post 02 Apr 2009, 23:57
No cause Florida never beat anything. The US beat Florida and the Spanish did nothing.
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Post 03 Apr 2009, 03:29
What? Are you serious?
Do you have no understanding of how one goes about analyzing something?
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Post 03 Apr 2009, 04:24
I know a lot about Andrew Jackson. He defeated Florida and the Spanish nothing. See the US court told him not to go into Florida cause they were afraid to get into a war with Spain and Andrew went in there and defeated Florida and then he became Mr. President. Andrew was president but he preferred to be call general.
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Post 03 Apr 2009, 05:49
What does that have to do with the militarily of modern Florida?
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Post 03 Apr 2009, 05:56
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Andrew went in there and defeated Florida and then he became Mr. President. Andrew was president but he preferred to be call general.


Andrew Jackson was a genocidal jingoist who firmly led america down the path of manifest destiny. frag Andrew Jackson.
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Post 03 Apr 2009, 06:10
He still kicked a**.
A lot of times success is based on your history.
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Post 03 Apr 2009, 07:38
Hitler conquered quite a bit himself.
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Post 03 Apr 2009, 07:54
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He still kicked a**. A lot of times success is based on your history.


It's also based on a million other things. Which you completely ignore. Instead you dig up ancient history and try to apply it to a modern war? Come on.
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Post 03 Apr 2009, 08:10
Well, it's still Florida. Plus it's not really ancient history. I just know that Cuba is pretty awesome with health care way in advantage of our own. They probably have webs on their hot line phones. Plus we used Cuba to store "dangerous" people.
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Post 04 Apr 2009, 00:27
.... and this all has what to do with concrete military capability?
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Post 05 Apr 2009, 02:02
Not really sure.
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Post 05 Apr 2009, 23:36
Exactly.


When trying to analyze a situation militarily your first step should be to look at what current assets they have. Then continue on by examining doctrines, and deployments. If possible look at readyness rates, how up to date the equipment is, and how often training exercises are conducted. From then on you can start to formulate possible scenarios for a confrontation, and look at how those scenario's could evolve.
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Post 10 Apr 2009, 06:25
Someone said Florida didnt beat anyone. Southern forces defeat two Union Armies at the battle of Olustee and The Battle of Natural bridge during the Southern War for Independance. Florida was the only state not to lose its Capital during the war. Florida was a major supplier of food staples to the Confederate Armies. The 5th and 6th Florida Regiments had a stellar combat reputation during that war. Florida National Guard and Florida based reserve units and Florida based active duty units continue to have a stellar combat reputation. Army Rangers, Marine MEUs, the Airforce all train in Florida. Tampa has a multinational command head Quarters aswell as a large special Opeartions presence. Military forces in Florida are on par with any other in the world. I believe the parameters of a Florida vs Cuba scenario would be if Something like the dissolution of the Soviet Union happened to the united States. If that happened Florida would aquire a large amount of military equipment much like the Ukraine did, everything from ac130 gunships, tanks, amtracs, NBC units, speacial ops, p3 orions, ageis cruisers, a carrier or two, air refuelers, numerous fighter/ bomber wings, a large Marine Corps depot, a large Marine corps reserve force, a large Army Reserve force, and national guard.
If that happened Florida would have superior forces to that Cuba could not counter. Florida has a large exile community with which a government in exile could be set up, an exile "Liberation Army could be created". However I do not see any economic gain for Florida, so unless it was to rid Florida of a presumed nuclear threat of some aging ballistic missiles that may or may not be there, it would not be a feasible military option for a Florida.
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Post 30 Aug 2009, 03:12
Cuba. In America, We have the worlds most storngest (or maybe second)military, I consider that the Marines, Navy, Air Force, and the Army(I respect those)... Not the National Guard... SO Cuba would win if it was against the NG in Florida, considering they control about the 70th largest/powerfullest military in the world, but not against the real U.S. military. NG is a fragging joke, all they do (coast guard) is pull people over for no reason (they can do that legally), and they can also legally rip apart your boat to find anything illegal.... Oh and did I mention you can be arrested if the NG/coastguard even THINKS your going on to Cuba? YES they can, so that sucks...
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Post 02 Sep 2009, 00:42
I beg to differ about the National Guard. THe national guard has everything the regular army does, they have some special MOS's that the regular army doesnt, and the have lots of combat experince under there belt from multiple rotations to Afghan, Iraq, and even the horn of Africa. They are well supplied and trained. As for the Coast Guard they are an Active branch of the US military. They experinced in drug intradiction, and would be a great tool for recon work and escorting an invasion fleet or insertion of special forces, they only thing the CG lack is heavy weapons like missles and an advanced aegis suite. Some cg cutters are armed with a moderate cannon, and the CG has a large air wing, granted they arent combat aircraft, but in any type of warfare moving logistics is paramount to success, and there C-130s would be great.
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Post 12 Sep 2009, 05:06
SovietSmitty brings up good points (as always). Don't write off the National Guard simply because they pale in comparison to the rest of the US war machine. They are a very effective fighting force, and many smaller countries would be very happy to have their militaries be able to match the capabilities of the National Guard.
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