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Legality of the AK-47

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 08 Aug 2006, 04:53
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Post 15 Nov 2006, 03:22
I live in the United States
Im not that up on current weapon laws in the us
could anyone please tell me what versions(automatic or semi automatic) are legal
Can anyone give my a ballpark estimate of an AK
and also how much does some basic bullets cost.
Im not talking about a thousand rounds here just what is legal to a certain extent
thanks
Matthew S
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Aug 2006, 17:42
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Post 15 Nov 2006, 03:39
According to source:

Private ownership of fully-automatic AK-47 rifles is tightly regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934. The Gun Control Act of 1968 ceased importing of foreign-manufactured fully-automatic firearms for civilian sales and possession, effectively halting further importation of civilian accessible AK-47 rifles. In 1986, an amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act stopped all future domestic manufacture of fully-automatic weapons for civilian use.

However, machine guns manufactured domestically prior to 1986 and imported prior to 1968 may be transferred between civilians in accordance with federal and state law. Several Soviet and Chinese rifles made it into the U.S. during the mid-1960s, when returning Vietnam veterans brought them home after capture from enemy troops. Many of these were properly registered during the 1968 NFA amnesty.

Nevertheless, several states have laws on their books outlawing private possession of fully-automatic firearms even with NFA approval. Certain semi-automatic AK-47 models were banned by the now-expired Assault Weapons Ban of 1994–2004.

so, In the United States it is illegal to own a fully automatic AK-47 which was not registered as a National Firearms Act weapon by 1986.

a question to those who might know:

the AK-47 uses 7.62mm rounds. are those similar to the german mauser?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Apr 2004, 09:40
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Post 15 Nov 2006, 04:54
The Russian round is the 7.62x39mm. It is low powered compared to other similar rounds - 7.62x51 nato and 7.62x54 rimmed. These more powerful rounds however, are unsuited to fully automatic assault rifles as recoil is fairly high.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Post 15 Nov 2006, 14:12
Theres an ak-47 site that does a very good job at explaining the technicalities owning one. I'll post the site when I get home (school comp blocks weapon sites).
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Post 15 Nov 2006, 14:51
Holy crap, there's something wrong if civilians can own fully automatic weapons. No civilian needs that. There's arguments for private gun ownership, but not for automatic rifles. Except the "people would be safer" one which makes no sense.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Jun 2004, 18:18
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Post 15 Nov 2006, 15:37
Not disagreeing with Chaz here, since he actually is an American and all that. But didn't the Bush administration change the gun laws which makes it easier to buy and own an automatic rifle?
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Post 15 Nov 2006, 17:47
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But didn't the Bush administration change the gun laws which makes it easier to buy and own an automatic rifle?


Yeah he did. I think there was a automatic weapon ban put out pre-94 in the Clinton admin. When it was supposed to be renewed (during Bush admin) they simply did not renew. The did not even debate it. Congress just did not do anything.

Generally Reps are pro-guns and Dems are pro-gun restrictions. On that scale though, commies are the extreme exception of liberals.

Also a good wiki link on Gun Politics
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Aug 2006, 17:30
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Post 15 Nov 2006, 18:21
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Holy crap, there's something wrong if civilians can own fully automatic weapons. No civilian needs that. There's arguments for private gun ownership, but not for automatic rifles. Except the "people would be safer" one which makes no sense.
Revolution requires weapons ...
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Jun 2006, 02:51
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Post 15 Nov 2006, 18:25
Revolution isn't legal anyway so that's not really relevant.
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Post 15 Nov 2006, 23:39
http://www.ak-47.us/

Here is the site. It should answer any question you have.
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Post 16 Nov 2006, 00:16
Sergei would be the one to ask about this. He is the end all be all about weapons in the United States.
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Post 16 Nov 2006, 01:44
It's best to consider fully automatic rifles in the US as being totally out of your reach. First, the laws do not forbid them - but effectively restrict them to the very rich (what a surprise). Second - owning a full auto results in your giving up your 4th Amendment rights - your home can be examined at any time by the BATFE.

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SEMI auto AKs are not a problem at all. Despite US hysteria in certain circles, it is generally known that these are, in fact, LESS likely to cause crime than a common bolt action hunting rifle or cheap 22 pistol.

A sound entry level SEMI auto AK in the US may be purchased by a US citizen over the age of 18 that passes a BATFE background check - usually takes 5 minutes over the phone. These must be purchased from a licensed FFL (Federal Firearms License holder), who will also have you fill out a standard form 4473 for firearms purchase (if you recall - this is what the Soviets in Red Dawn collected to find out who had guns). Entry level cost is about $350 US for a Romanian variant. Price can rise to $700 US for a quality AKS74 in 5.45x39, or in 223.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jan 2007, 23:35
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Post 15 Jan 2007, 02:22
My first post, in reply to a LOT of misinformation.
AK machineguns are legal in the United States, but not in all states or cities. They are legal to own and sell, as long as they have been registered with the BATFE.
There is a fixed supply and rising demand, so consequently, the prices are high. As they are so rare, a registered AK will runn about $25,000. (BTW, some machineguns, such as the Ingram type M11, only cost about $3,000, because there are many more in supply. On the other end of the specturm, a GE mini-gun will cost about $250,000, because there are only two able to be owned by civilians. Pure supply and demand.)
Since 1934, there have been only TWO, reread that, TWO, crimes committed with legally owned machineguns. One gun was owned by a policeman and another owned by a surgeon. Sounds like machineguns are owned by pretty responsible people.
Owning a machinegun does not impair your 4th amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure. A warrant is still needed to search your person, home or vehicle. Actually, your possession is even MORE secure. This is due to your application to purchase the machinegun is considered a Tax Record and protected against disclosure, the same as your income tax records. Not even the local police can ask the BATF what weapons you own. It would be a violation of law for the BATF to disclose your private tax information.
As stated, semi-auto rifles can run $300 to $700 or more. Ammunition is about $4 a box of 20 rounds. There is huge interest in semi AKs here, with many people building Soviet replica looking AKs.
There is no prohibition on the amount of ammo you own. If you want to buy 1,000 rounds, do it. This is a free country.
The Bush administration did nothing concerning ownership of machineguns. That was done in 1986. What happened during the Bush administration is that some confusing gun laws, related to the cosmetic appearance of the rifles, was allowed to expire when congress did not vote for renewal. Nothing unusual, no conspiracy.
I'm glad to be able to set the record staright. Machine gun ownership if fun and the investment is well worth the paperwork hassle. Machinegun values currently appreciate about 15% to 20% a year.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 May 2012, 00:35
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Post 10 Jul 2012, 21:54
It depends on the state, comrade. Some allow only semiautomatic, some automatic. And direct from Russia it actually costs, like $30 and there you can also get 1,000 rounds for $30. But that's because the Soviet Union produced hundreds of millions of AK rifles. It's the most common firearm series in the world, actually.
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Post 28 Feb 2013, 12:03
Cata wrote:
Holy crap, there's something wrong if civilians can own fully automatic weapons. No civilian needs that. There's arguments for private gun ownership, but not for automatic rifles. Except the "people would be safer" one which makes no sense.



ahmm yeahh maybe theres something wrong
your right.. ^_^
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