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Post 05 Feb 2005, 13:32
The R-36M [NATO designation: SS-18] has been the most powerful missile in terms of size, yield, warhead yield etc, since 1971. With 8 MIRVs with a yield of 0.5-1.7 megatons, are the most powerful MIRV's ever to be in operational existence.

Please do your research.
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 13:36
USA had the most powerfull weapons than USSR.

How many of those bombs were actually made.

The TV doesnt lie.
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 13:40
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The TV doesnt lie.


This discussion is over. I cannot tolerate such idiotic statements! The TV always lies! it's propaganda!

All articles regarding the R-36M regard it as the most powerful ballistic missile system ever to be deployed in the history of Nuclear weapons. Your TV is full of Bullshit.

188+ are currently deployed within Russia. Whilst the Soviet Union was dominating, there were 600~ of these fine missiles deployed.

SS-18:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/icbm/r-36m.htm
http://www.warfare.ru/?catid=265&linkid=1702
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world ... /r-36m.htm
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 14:06
So 600 R-36M's

So USA had something slightly less powerfull but had lots and lots of them.


I dont think UK-TV History lies.
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 14:17
My friend, of course they lie. Just the other day I watched a show on the supposed History Channel, it stated that the ratio between Soviet & American fighters during the Korean war was 10:1 ! do you believe that?

10 MiG-15's destroyed to ever 1 F-86 Sabre!

When in fact the actual Ratio was this:

4 F-86's destroyed to 1 MiG-15!

Can you believe the absurdity of some of the absolute lies that comes out of that channel!

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So USA had something slightly less powerfull but had lots and lots of them.


I'm afraid not, the Soviets had numerical, technological etc, supperiority. They were outmatched.

Russia, at this moment in time, has more mobil launchers and warheads than America. The only area in which America is superior to Russia, is in the are of the ability to launch Nuclear Cruise Missiles from air platforms, such as the B-52.
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 14:23
Exalt, do you know how much destruction ONE MEGATON mirv does?
It will wipe out entire city. So, entire american insfracture would be wiped out just by SS-18 "Satan"s.
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 15:41
Humm so your saying they collapsed when they were really really powerfull the most powerfull super power?
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 15:47
Before we get any futher into this; how and why do you think the Soviet Union collapsed?

It is irrelevant how powerful there weapons were, what good were they when Gorbachev dissolved the Soviet Union from within, it was him alone; nothing else, which caused the destruction of the Soviet Union, he alone, though that 'freedom' and 'independance' would be better for the Soviet Union. But in the end they were it's downfall. The end of the Soviet Union brought with it the beginning of the Drunkard Urod President.

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Exalt, do you know how much destruction ONE MEGATON mirv does?
It will wipe out entire city. So, entire american insfracture would be wiped out just by SS-18 "Satan"s.


Exactly, The MIRV capability modification was one of the weakest variants of the SS-18, but in some respects the most powerful. In Mod-6 it contains one massive 20-25 megaton warhead, capable of incomprehensible annihilation.
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 15:57
Because Mikhail Gorbachev cacked every thing up by ending aid to satilites in space. Removing nuclear missiles. Pulling troops from middle east. Poland has strikes and becomes independant.

Why would he want to end such a strong super power?
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 16:40
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Why would he want to end such a strong super power?


Because he is IDIOT, no but seriously I've come up with a few ideas for that.

1. American made a deal with the fool, which is probably why he is living in a huge mansion in the U$A right now.

2. Yeltsen and him were drinking at a bar one night (duh) and Yeltsen says, comrade, let's see how far we can push the state...Gorbechev passes out, wakes up with perestroika and glasnost reforms in affect.

3. When he was younger he was to fat to go to the Communist Youth program and has secretly hated them ever since...

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Humm so your saying they collapsed when they were really really powerfull the most powerfull super power?


No, when they collapsed they were the weakest, broken super power ever, the Soviet Union was and can be again the strongest super power in the world up until 1985, when Gorbechev (theres that name again) got into power...that is one of the biggest mistakes ever to fall upon our great Soviet motherland...
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 18:06
Why did the polish rebel?
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 18:29
Poland rebelled and became "independent" (colony of the U$A) because they hated Russia, it had nothing to do with communism, I read this report that the broke away from Warsaw Treaty (ironically) and still were communist up until 1993, until of course the "better" european countries put pressure on them until their pary was ousted by highly paide "liberators"

capitalism/bullshitism wins again eh
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 22:31
Now, NATO estimates were that the USSR would be able to destroy European defenses and reach Portugal within three days.

Americans were contemplating not whether to use Nukes, but when.
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Post 05 Feb 2005, 22:35
An SS-18 Mod 6 could cause substantial damage to an area twice the size of Ohio, if not three times.
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Post 06 Feb 2005, 01:02
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Because Mikhail Gorbachev cacked every thing up by ending aid to satilites in space. Removing nuclear missiles. Pulling troops from middle east. Poland has strikes and becomes independant.

Why would he want to end such a strong super power?


Why bother with such an argument? The Romans were the most powerful empire in the history of Mankind, yet they still crumbled. Power has nothing to do with it.
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Post 06 Feb 2005, 01:37
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Why bother with such an argument? The Romans were the most powerful empire in the history of Mankind, yet they still crumbled. Power has nothing to do with it.


no by the time they fell they were a pretty desolate empire, not many men were left to fight in their wars so the barbarians came in and fragged them over.

but that was NOT the case for the Soviet Motherland.
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Post 06 Feb 2005, 01:43
I was not referring to the circumstances of it falling, they were still a force to be reckoned with in those days. But yet they still fell, due to political differences within the senate.
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Post 06 Feb 2005, 02:17
my apologies...but when he said "why" would he want to end such a strong power he was implying that he completely knew Gorby did it, he was simply asking why, a question that plagued my mind quite some time ago.
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Post 06 Feb 2005, 09:17
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Money means nothing in a state such as the Soviet Union, the army had unlimited funding, they had full acess to all resources required for the production of all required arms.

If this is true, why did USSR get big loans from other countries and then collapsed


Without armsrace, USSR would probably be still alive.
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Post 06 Feb 2005, 09:46
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The R-36M [NATO designation: SS-18] has been the most powerful missile in terms of size, yield, warhead yield etc, since 1971. With 8 MIRVs with a yield of 0.5-1.7 megatons, are the most powerful MIRV's ever to be in operational existence.

SS-18 was designed to used against hardened targets like missile silos and its strong warhead is to compensate the lack of accuracy. If you have very accurate missiles, you can use smaller warheads because no silo can survive direct hit.

For example Peacekeeper has CEP of 100m and 10x300kt warheads. SS-18 has CEP of 500 m (russian sources) or 250 m (western estimates).

So big warhead is not good, it just tells that missile is not accurate enough for small and much economical warhead.
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