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Post 09 May 2015, 07:49
Live stream: http://rt.com/on-air/victory-parade-relay-may/

Page with historical background: http://9may.rt.com/
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Post 09 May 2015, 12:09
With today being the 70th anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War, I thought I'd share a few words of personal gratitude.

First of all I'd like to thank my great grandfather Branislav Antonovich Zagatski for his contribution in the war in defending Stalingrad until his very last dying breath like the intelligent, handsome, honourable, and courageous man that he was.


What an honour it was for him to serve during the very first month of the defence of Stalingrad under the command of another great man I'd like to thank; Marshal Rodion Yakovlevich Malinovsky.

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Thank you General Mikhail Petrovich Kirponos for defending my home city of birth up until the very moment your brave heart gave out.

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Thank you General Nikolai Fyodorovich Vatutin for freeing my home city of the Nazi yoke and giving your very life in its liberation as you were struck down by the very same bandits who now shamefully occupy parliamentary and ministerial posts in the current Ukrainian government.

Nevertheless the Soviet monument to your sacrifice is still one of the last remaining to stand tall and proud in my home city of Kiev:

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Thank you to all the western allies who gave aid to the people of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in its most bleakest of hours.

Thank you to all the partisans in Europe who gave their lives in making sure that the Nazi occupation of their homes was an expensive nightmare.

Thank you to all the Soviet citizens who stood strong and steadfast in the face of such an unrelenting aggressor.

Thank you to all the Soviet women who toiled day and night in making sure the soviet economy stayed strong and stable in times of such hardship.

Thank you to the Russian people who were the first to let not the Nazi thugs advance a single step further.

Thank you to all the officers who served; and to all the rank and file who served, lived and died in the most glorious Red Army.

Finally, thank you to all the great communists the world over who stood and stand in solidarity, now and forever against all forms of fascism, imperialism, and capitalist injustice.


URA! URA! URA! URA! URA! URA!
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Post 09 May 2015, 15:56
Salute to all of the veterans of the war against fascism. It is unfortunate that so many Western countries refused to join the Russian Victory Day parade.

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The US, Australia, Canada and most EU leaders avoided the celebrations in Russia - despite invitations - because of Moscow's alleged involvement in the Ukraine crisis.

On Friday, Poland organised an alternative event for those leaders who refused to go to Moscow.

Events in Gdansk were attended by the presidents of several countries, including Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania and Ukraine. Mr Ban, the UN chief, was also there.


See: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32668511

These refusals and the alternative event in Gdansk are rather petty. Even if these governments have disagreements with Putin, their refusal to join the celebrations is unfair and insulting toward Soviet veterans.
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Post 11 May 2015, 08:07
A lot was made of the countries that didn't attend, but not so much on those who did, some of them for the first time. China was mentioned, but also India, for instance.

It was rather funny to see the Ukrainian version of Victory Day, pulled back to the 8th of May and with British-style poppies instead of Soviet symbolism. If they don't want the Soviet associations, that is their right, but what kind of "Victory Day over Nazism" are they even celebrating then? Did the independent Ukrainian nation liberate itself on the 8th of May, 1945? Or was there a British liberation of Kiev that we all missed? Did the Poles and Ukrainians dance on the streets of Gdansk, singing Kumbaya? What is the role of Red Army veterans in this? Have they gotten rid of all their medals (banned Soviet symbolism) and started wearing poppies instead?
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Post 12 May 2015, 03:09
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A lot was made of the countries that didn't attend, but not so much on those who did, some of them for the first time. China was mentioned, but also India, for instance.

It was rather funny to see the Ukrainian version of Victory Day, pulled back to the 8th of May and with British-style poppies instead of Soviet symbolism. If they don't want the Soviet associations, that is their right, but what kind of "Victory Day over Nazism" are they even celebrating then? Did the independent Ukrainian nation liberate itself on the 8th of May, 1945? Or was there a British liberation of Kiev that we all missed? Did the Poles and Ukrainians dance on the streets of Gdansk, singing Kumbaya? What is the role of Red Army veterans in this? Have they gotten rid of all their medals (banned Soviet symbolism) and started wearing poppies instead?


It does seem odd. What some people have said to me is that Eastern Europe was not completely liberated until 1989 with the usual attempt to create equivalence between Hitler and Stalin. But I do not see how Soviet power and influence in post-war Eastern Europe can be compared to what the Nazis were planning; a racist, colonialist empire.
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Post 12 May 2015, 07:23
I could only watch the rehearsals, because I had to work when the parade was held. Beautiful stuff, though.

And yes, many thanks to all those who fought against fascism in the most harrowing of circumstances.
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Post 12 May 2015, 21:41
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It was rather funny to see the Ukrainian version of Victory Day, pulled back to the 8th of May and with British-style poppies instead of Soviet symbolism. If they don't want the Soviet associations, that is their right, but what kind of "Victory Day over Nazism" are they even celebrating then? Did the independent Ukrainian nation liberate itself on the 8th of May, 1945? Or was there a British liberation of Kiev that we all missed? Did the Poles and Ukrainians dance on the streets of Gdansk, singing Kumbaya? What is the role of Red Army veterans in this? Have they gotten rid of all their medals (banned Soviet symbolism) and started wearing poppies instead?


Comrade, do yourself a favour and don't even try to figure out the current Ukrainian question. Even Einstein would have had an aneurysm trying to figure this all out.

A lot of Ukrainians today including the entire government are so confused and suffer from an inferiority complex the size of Mars. The people so desperately feel the need to be proud of something and the government need to backup this current upsurge in nationalism to keep their heads in the future, but the problem is that almost every real practical accomplishment in Ukrainian history was done as a part of the Soviet Union, and furthermore mostly in cooperation with Russia particularly; with most of the greatest minds ever to come out of Ukraine being either Soviet-Ukrainian, Russian-Ukrainian, or Russian.

Ukraine's borders as they exist today are the way they are significantly due to Soviet intervention; with Lenin giving them the south-eastern regions from Odessa to Kharkov, Stalin the western regions including Lvov, and finally Khrushchev the Crimea.

This leads them to start twisting everything they have ever known, which is their Soviet history and close ties to Russia to the best of their ability, with a lot of contradictions amongst themselves.

Look what they did in this photo:

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They put a wreath of poppies on the Soviet Motherland monument in Kiev, which is sort of equivalent to what the Statue of Liberty is to Americans, and was the tallest and most expensive in the entire soviet union coming in at second only to the Call of the Motherland monument in Stalingrad.

Can you believe how desperate they are to create a Ukrainian history to be proud of in their vision?

In the case of the roles of Red Army veterans, just watch this and make conclusions for yourself. These are some of the commercials that the government was promoting in the buildup to Victory Day.

As you can see in the monument and commercial, Soviet symbolism remains, but at the same time they are promoting to have them banned because they automatically equate everything Soviet to Russian, despite the fact that Ukrainians played major roles in every aspect of Soviet development.

In the worst cases like in the commercial they equate the sacrifices of Red Army veterans to what pro-government Ukrainians are now doing in the Donbass.

Linking the great victory in the Second World War with Ukraine's bloody civil war in the east, Poroshenko argued that the present war is a "symbol of the continuity of generations." In his words, "the soldiers who stand here today, through their faithful service and devotion to Ukraine, will increase the glory of their elders and ancestors."

They also have a habit of blaming all their woes primarily on Russia and self-loathe the fact that in many facets of ordinary life, Ukrainians and Russians are indistinguishable; and don't get me wrong there are a lot of equally petty and stupid people in the Russian government who aren't helping the situation one bit, but to constantly blame everything on Russians is just "what the fuсk?!?!"

So they look to the west, to some kind of image they have of a superior white man.

In reality if anyone wanted to understand the mindset of these people, then all you have to do is listen to this song where Poroshenko is King Louie, the dancing monkeys are Ukraine's parliament, and Mowgli's the western white man.
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