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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 25 Nov 2004, 17:44
Unperson
Post 30 Jan 2005, 19:14
http://sturmvogel.orbat.com/SovLendLease.html


Intresting site, it shows how much resources they got and how much produceced, fortunetaly it dosen't show much planes/tanks/etc they got.
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Unperson
Post 31 Jan 2005, 00:23
http://www.o5m6.de/numbers.html


Trucks send to Soviets.
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Unperson
Post 31 Jan 2005, 00:25
Lend/Lease Vehicles

by Thorleif Olsson



The American lend and lease system was introduced in the beginning of the war to support Great Britain in their struggle with Germany. After the German assault on Russia in June 1941, the defenders got aid with this system through war material, food, fuel and other important raw materials.

From 1941 and onwards, the RKKA used extensive numbers of Lend-Lease tanks received from the USA, Canada and Great Britain. Approximately 22.800 AFVs were sent to the Soviet Union between June 22nd of 1941 to 30th of April 1944, and almost 2.000 of these were lost at sea.

In addition, the Russians got about 351.700 trucks and 78.000 Jeeps from the USA.

With this the Red Army became more movable as mobility increased.

During 1941, 487 Matilda, Valentine and Tetrarch tanks were received from Great Britain, and 182 M3A1 "Stuart", and M3 Lee medium tanks were received from the USA. In 1942, a further 2.487 tanks were received from the UK, and 3.023 tanks from the USA. The first units equipped with Valentines and Matilda IIs fought in the Staraya Russia and Valdai areas in the winter of 1941/42. Usually tank units were allotted a single type of Lend-Lease tanks to simplify logistics. An example was the 38th Tank Brigade which in 1942 had 30 Matilda II tanks, and 16 T-60 light tanks. In 1944 and 1945, the American M4A2 were the highest appreciated Lend/Lease tank, and some tank corps and mechanized corps were entirely equipped with this type. In early 1945 the 1st Guards Mechanized Corps were equipped with Shermans in all of its tank units.



The role of Lend/Lease AFVs in the Soviet war effort has been the source of bitter controversy, as some Western statements tell how decisive they were, while Soviet statements generally denigrating it as inconsequential. However, it should not be forgotten that Great Britain sent 14 percent of her's total tank production to the Soviet Union, even though they outproduced Great Britain threefold in tanks, and this in a period when the British Army had a serious shortage of tanks in North Africa.



The vast quantities of American trucks with USA serials provided, were so common in Eastern Europe in 1944/45, that common folk-lore interpreted the stenciled letters as Ubiyat Sukinsyna Adolfa - Kill that Son-of-a-bitch Adolf.



British vehicles

Churchill Mk. III/IV (6-Pounder)

Matilda Mk. II

Tetrarch

Universal Carrier

Valentine Mk. III/IV/IX



Canadian vehicles

Universal Carrier

Valentine Mk. IX/XI



US vehicles

M3/M3A1 Stuart

M3 Lee

M4A2 Sherman

M3A1 Scout car

M3

M3A1

M5

M7

M10 Wolverine

M18 Hellcat

M24 Chaffee

M26 Pershing

T-48 Half-track

More : http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5275
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 25 Nov 2004, 17:44
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 00:33
According to Ukranian source: Andrew Gregorovich
The USA supplied the USSR with 6,430 planes, 3,734 tanks, 104 ships and boats, 210,000 autos, 3,000 anti-aircraft guns, 245,000 field telephones, gasoline, aluminum, copper, zinc, steel and five million tons of food. This was enough to feed an army of 12 million every day of the war. Britain supplied 5,800 planes, 4,292 tanks, and 12 minesweepers. Canada supplied 1,188 tanks, 842 armoured cars, nearly one million shells, and 208,000 tons of wheat and flour. The USSR depended on American trucks for its mobility since 427,000 out of 665,000 motor vehicles (trucks and jeeps) at the end of the war were of western origin.
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Komsomol
Post 31 Jan 2005, 04:50
For some reason I don't believe that trucks sent to the USSR were that high in number.

The lend-lease aid was good for the civilians, but bad for army.

My grandmother remembers receiving a package of food and toiletries from America.

The military remembers getting Shermans. Russians hated them and replaced them with KV's and IS tanks.
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 05:34
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The USA supplied the USSR with 6,430 planes, 3,734 tanks, 104 ships and boats, 210,000 autos, 3,000 anti-aircraft guns, 245,000 field telephones, gasoline, aluminium, copper, zinc, steel and five million tons of food.

Britain supplied 5,800 planes, 4,292 tanks, and 12 minesweepers. Canada supplied 1,188 tanks, 842 armoured cars, nearly one million shells.


Don't tell me you believe that the Allies 'supplied' the Soviet Union with 12,230 planes, 9214 tanks and 116 ships? They are obviously exagerated numberss, you would only need half a brain to work that out.

Tank Production

Soviet Tank Production from 1939-45:
1939: 3,000
1940: 2,800
1941: 6,200
1942: 24,200
1943: 24,000
1944: 28,000
1945: 15,000

Overall tank production for 6 years: 103,200 tanks.

American tank production from 1939-45:
1939: 0~
1940: 200
1941: 3,700
1942: 25,000
1943: 29,000
1944: 17,000
1945: 12,000

Overall tank production for 6 years: 86,900 tanks.

German tank production:
1939: 1,000
1940: 2,500
1941: 5,000
1942: 9,100
1943: 17,000
1944: 22,500
1945: 4,200

Overall tank production for 6 years: 58,300tanks.

Aircraft Production

Soviet aircraft Production from 1939-45:
1939: 10,000
1940: 10,200
1941: 15,000
1942: 25,000
1943: 33,000
1944: 40,000
1945: 20,100

Overall aircraft production for 6 years: 153,300

American aircraft Production from 1939-45:
1939: 5,000
1940: 13,000
1941: 26,000
1942: 48,000
1943: 86,000
1944: 97,000
1945: 50,000

Overall aircraft production for 6 years: 325,000

German aircraft Production from 1939-45:
1939: 9,000
1940: 10,100
1941: 11,000
1942: 16,000
1943: 25,000
1944: 39,900
1945: 8,000

Overall aircraft production for 6 years: 119,000

Ship Production

Soviet ship Production from 1939-45:
1939: 0~
1940: 300
1941: 500
1942: 1,100
1943: 10
1944: 100
1945: 0~

Overall ship production for 6 years: 2,010

American ship Production from 1939-45:
1939: 0~
1940: 0~
1941: 5,200
1942: 17,500
1943: 26,700
1944: 22,000
1945: 15,000

Overall ship production for 6 years: 86,400

German ship Production from 1939-45:
1939: 200
1940: 250
1941: 2,000
1942: 2,500
1943: 2,700
1944: 1,900
1945: 0~

Overall ship production for 6 years: 9,550

With production levels such as these, the Soviet Union would not have needed to aquire such vast amounts of weaponry.

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Post 31 Jan 2005, 05:59
Plus you have to remember that the American 'aid' was not given without strings attached. I know others know more about the conditions on the USSR, but in Britain's case, for example, they were forced to sell their overseas assets before the Americans agreed to start giving them aid. At the end of the war, as a result, the British had a very had time recovering (because the income they had relied on in the past was now gone). Good-hearted help, or using people when they are most in need?
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 06:19
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The military remembers getting Shermans. Russians hated them and replaced them with KV's and IS tanks.



And for some reason you seem to think that the only Sherman model was early 75W.

Even T-34/85s armor was nowhere near the quality of late model 76W. The soviets admit this on more than one occasion. Soviet 45mm @ 60 is inferior to American 64mm @ 47. Have you ever heard of sloped armor? Ect: 45mm@60 becomes 160mm of shell resistance. 64mm@47 becomes 121mm of shell resistance. The difference is, however, that Soviet steel was of deplorable quality.


Replaced by KV and IS tanks?



You seem to thing that IS and KV were standart tanks of Soviet arsenal....

No. The answer is no. You might also be intrested in knowing that production of KV tanks was stopped in 1943. Some 4581 ( all models ) were made.

IS-1 ( the first IS model ) didnt see action until 1943 and the results werent good. The 85mm gun on the IS-1 was simply not powerful enough for a heavy tank. This fact had been revealed in 1943 after the battle of Kursk. Soon after that battle Kotlin ( the design team ) decided to restrict production of the IS-1 so that a better weapon could be fitted to the tank.

And so IS-II was born. From late 1943 to 1945 some 3850 were made.

Even you should know that standart Soviet tanks were T-34/76 and T-34/85.
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 10:00
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Even T-34/85s armor was nowhere near the quality of late model 76W. The soviets admit this on more than one occasion. Soviet 45mm @ 60 is inferior to American 64mm @ 47. Have you ever heard of sloped armor? Ect: 45mm@60 becomes 160mm of shell resistance. 64mm@47 becomes 121mm of shell resistance. The difference is, however, that Soviet steel was of deplorable quality.


Be more specific, are you talking about the armor protection of the Front Side, Rear, Top or Bottom? I think you made an error in your calculations, until you provide with me the information regarding which part of the tank you are talking about, I can't really answer.
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 10:12
Only T-34/85s frontal turret armor was stronger than Sherman 76W models.
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 10:20
Soviet T-34-85: Frontal hull protection:

45mm@30°

Soviet T-34-85: Turret protection:

90mm@round

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American(76)W Sherman: Frontal hull protection:

51-108mm@34-90°

American(76)W Sherman: Turret protection:

64mm@45-50°
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Komsomol
Post 31 Jan 2005, 12:09
This is bullshit.I'm tired of assholes posting propaganda.
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 12:21
Who?

What?
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 12:25
That is not propaganda.
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 12:38
What is he referring to?
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 13:03
He claims that the fact that only T-34/85s frontal turret armor was stronger than Sherman 76Ws is propaganda, but its not.

This doesnt suprise me. There are even some people who thing that there was only one Sherman model, early 75W.
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 13:17
Birkin wrote:
He claims that the fact that only T-34/85s frontal turret armor was stronger than Sherman 76Ws is propaganda, but its not.

This doesnt suprise me. There are even some people who thing that there was only one Sherman model, early 75W.



Or he can't believe that those "pesky" capitalist pigs kept the Soviet Army supplied for 4 years.
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 13:26
Limited supplies, hardly any of them reached Russian ports. Are you aware of which route they delivered these 'supplies'
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 13:32
Nikita Khrushchev wrote:
Limited supplies, hardly any of them reached Russian ports. Are you aware of which route they delivered these 'supplies'



Hardly any? Huh. Care to tell me where do they state that? That is hard to believe because i know that major part of the lend-lease got to Russian (trought Murmansk, Iran, etc)
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Post 31 Jan 2005, 13:37
You should know that Germans made attempts to sink Northern Convoys.
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