How Important was the Lend-Lease Program

'Lend-Lease' (Not Land-Lease) was by no means even a contributing factor to the soviet victory over germany. It merely helped, but it was too little, too late, and yes, the most helpful commodity were the trucks.

This may be off-topic, but same can be said of operation overlord. It wasn't little, but it came too late. Without the 1 million german troops tied up on the western front, the soviets would still have stormed to berlin, albeit more slowly. The allies eventually shipped 3 million men into western europe but by that time they were up against only 600,000 germans. These peaks were reached at the battle of the bulge. The allies outnumbered the germans and hence won.

Same in the east, numbers eventually prevailed. The germans numbered 3 million, the russians approx. 6 million and always increasing. The germans however had run out of men. In the last weeks of the eastern front, germany managed to throw 700,000 conscripts in the defence of Berlin at the soviets, who by that stage numbered in the millions.

Anyway, the allies (US, britain, canada, france etc) will always overplay their contribution to the european theatre, and downplay the soviet effort, which by all means, would have beaten the germans back regardless of Lend-Lease etc etc.

Over 80% of the german war-machine (including their airforce) was positioned in the east throughout the european war. All these troops and resources were utilised right from the start.

I could go on forever, but the figures are indisputable and speak for themselves (you don't believe me, look it up, you have the www at your fingertips)

Enough said.

I know the Soviets did all the work, but do you know logistics ? how would the Soviet move troops and Ammo to the fronts with out Trucks and Trains ? The Soviet might have won the war alone, but at the cost of millions and millions of more people and really i doupt they would win because if Moscow fall or the Soviet Union didnt join the allies. Japan would rush into Siberia and the Soviet Union could not fight a to front War.

The allies need the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union needed the Allies. Why is this so damn hard to admit ? russian and soviet nationlism or mabe just stipidity ?

Perhaps you will make fun out of it, but Stalin had a deal with Kemchik-ool and Mongolian government concerning horses trade. If you have ever been to Russia and know what the autumn and spring rasputica is like you would understand why all those trucks that Soviet Union had and the "Allies" sent were obsolete.

The "Allies" needed Soviet Union only to save their capitalist souls when their Nazi puppets turned against them. They hardly contributed anything, they only came and stole half of the victory...

hmm din't know its was muddy year round that why most major Soviet attacks happended in Winter, and the trucks where not obsolete then know where they, because the ground is frozen and don't say it was so cold they couldt run because it alwese wason't that cold.

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because the ground is frozen and don't say it was so cold they couldt run because it alwese wason't that cold.

Two things.

1. Get a dictionary, you are really getting on my nerves. If English was not your first language, I cut you some slack, but you don't seem to have an excuse.

2. it wasn't that cold? Russia has some of the coldest winters in the world, and the winters during the war weren't any different.

I know Russia as some of the coldist winters in the world but that dosent stop the Trucks know does it some times but that canbe dealt with.

I guess he's just too juvenile to be convinced in anything... Let's leave him to his thoughts, shall we?

No mabe its just your to nationlistic to belive that your country need help from the West your just to damn proud to admit it needed western help. or is it your to damn stiped to understand ?

[Off Topic: Papergut and =SoViEt=, will you two please stop making personnal attacks? I don't care who started what, any more of that and I'll start editing posts here.

Thank you.]

I got some more infomation the subject -

According to Ukranian source: Andrew Gregorovich
The USA supplied the USSR with 6,430 planes, 3,734 tanks, 104 ships and boats, 210,000 autos, 3,000 anti-aircraft guns, 245,000 field telephones, gasoline, aluminum, copper, zinc, steel and five million tons of food. This was enough to feed an army of 12 million every day of the war. Britain supplied 5,800 planes, 4,292 tanks, and 12 minesweepers. Canada supplied 1,188 tanks, 842 armoured cars, nearly one million shells, and 208,000 tons of wheat and flour. The USSR depended on American trucks for its mobility since 427,000 out of 665,000 motor vehicles (trucks and jeeps) at the end of the war were of western origin.

http://www.geocities.com/ojoronen/LENDLSE.HTM

In the autumn of 1941 the German army occupied Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Baltic republics and several regions in Russia. The fascists approached Moscow. On September 22 - October 1, the USSR, the USA and Great Britain agreed upon the delivery of 400 planes, 500 tanks, anti-aircraft, anti-tank arms, ammunition, aluminium, and other strategic materials to the USSR on a monthly basis. Roosevelt's "garden hose" started working nine months before the lend-lease agreement was officially signed between America and the Soviet Union.

During the WWII years, the USA delivered defense technology in the sum of $46 billion to the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition. The costs made up 13 percent of America's defense spending. The lion's share of deliveries was given to England - $30.3 billion. The Soviet Union received defense technology in the sum of $9.8 billion, France $1,4 billion and China $631 million. In total, the USA supplied arms to 42 countries.

The USSR received hundreds of thousands of military vehicles and motorbikes. Lack of fuel was ameliorated with deliveries of 2.5 million tons of petroleum products. The profusion of Roosevelt's "garden hose" provided Stalin with 595 ships, including 28 frigates, 105 submarines, 77 trawlers, 22 torpedo boats, 140 anti-submarine vessels and others. The Soviet air force received 4,952 Aerocobra and 2,410 Kingcobra fighter jets. Soviet pilot Alexander Pokryshkin fought with Hitler's Luftwaffe aces in Aerocobra planes, which made him a Hero of the Soviet Union hero three times over.

The lend-lease agreement supplied the USSR with 2,7 thousand A-20 and 861 B-25 bomber planes. Soviet tank divisions received 7,056 tanks, 8,218 anti-aircraft emplacements, 131,600 machine guns and other arms.

Soviet propaganda tried to diminish the importance of the American help. Back in those years, it was said that the Soviet Union had produced 30,000 tanks and 40,000 planes since the middle of 1943. Well, as a matter of fact, this was true. However, one has to take into consideration the fact that lend and lease deliveries were made to the USSR during the most difficult period of the war - during the second half of 1942. In addition, the USSR would not have been capable of producing its arms without the lend-lease agreement: The USA shipped 2.3 million tons of steel to the USSR during the WWII years. That volume of steel was enough for the production of 70,000 T-34 tanks. Aluminum was received in the volume of 229,000 tons, which helped the Soviet aviation and tank industries to run for two years. One has to mention food deliveries as well: 3.8 million tons of tinned pork, sausages, butter, chocolate, egg powder and so on. The lend-lease agreement provided orderlies with 423,000 telephones and tens of thousands of wireless stations. Deliveries also included oil distillation equipment, field bakeries, tents, parachutes, and so on and so forth. The Soviet Union also received 15 million pairs of army boots.

The help was delivered to the USSR via Iran and major Soviet sea ports. About 3,000 transport vessels arrived at the ports of Murmansk, Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok, and delivered 1.3 million tons of cargo. It would be incorrect to diminish the significance of such all-embracing help from the New World as a serious factor that assisted in the victorious ending of the war.

Historians and politicians keep on arguing about the results and lessons of WWII. The basic results of the war are known: the war was lost by the two major participants inthe "grand political game" of 1939-1940 - both Hitler and Stalin. Of course, the Soviet leader defeated Hitler, although it then resulted in the ideological crisis and, eventually, in the tragic collapse of the totalitarian superpower - the USSR. It is worth mentioning here that the debt of the Soviet Union - $722 million - for the lend-lease contract has not been completely paid to the States yet.

http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363 ... evelt.html
American, British and Canadian Lend-Lease made a significant difference in the progress of the Soviet armies against Hitler's armies. However, the USSR tried to keep this information limited and the role of Lend-Lease is generally not well known although it constituted about 15 per cent of the total equipment used by the USSR, particularly almost one-half million American trucks. It was said that the only thing that moved through the mud towards Germany were the Ukrainian T-34 tanks with their wide tracks and the American Studebaker trucks.

The USA supplied the USSR with 6,430 planes, 3,734 tanks, 104 ships and boats, 210,000 autos, 3,000 anti-aircraft guns, 245,000 field telephones, gasoline, aluminum, copper, zinc, steel and five million tons of food. This was enough to feed an army of 12 million every day of the war. Britain supplied 5,800 planes, 4,292 tanks, and 12 minesweepers. Canada supplied 1,188 tanks, 842 armoured cars, nearly one million shells, and 208,000 tons of wheat and flour. The USSR depended on American trucks for its mobility since 427,000 out of 665,000 motor vehicles (trucks and jeeps) at the end of the war were of western origin.

http://www.infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-09.html

=SoViEt= is here again, trying to claim that scrap metal they call "equipment" was of any use for Soviets and had any effect on warfare...

Red Army veterans claim that it was better to move on foot than in "Sherman" tank.

For any reasonable person, who is not reading ultranationalist sources or sensationalist "yellow press" like PRAVDA.RU, the question is clear: Lend-Lease didn't have any positive effect, but had very negative effect, because it costed lots of money, equipment and fuel, taken by Americans as "payment" (today, Americans still demand modern Russia to pay back remaining money for Lend-Lease).


So, the real questions are:

1.Why =SoViEt= is not yet banned?

2.Why this ridiculous thread is not yet locked?


That are real questions that bother me.

Why can't you ever just sit and read alwese alwese saying something about Shermans like i must have said these same words a million thousands times but here we go again .

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=SoViEt= is here again, trying to claim that scrap metal they call "equipment" was of any use for Soviets and had any effect on warfare...

-Posted above, the "scrap metal" made up an estimated 14% of all Equipment in the Soviet Armed Forces. Also they proveded more then just Equipment like they gave food and such.

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Red Army veterans claim that it was better to move on foot than in "Sherman" tank.

-Like i said before, and even American veterans would say that.

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because it costed lots of money, equipment and fuel, taken by Americans as "payment" (today, Americans still demand modern Russia to pay back remaining money for Lend-Lease).

-What you think if Russia lent out Tones and Tones of Equipment you don't think they would make them pay for it ? yeah that what i thought and i heard nothing off this to my understanding they came to some sorrt of agreement in 1971.

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like i must have said these same words a million thousands times but here we go again

You don't need to say ANY words. Your words are 100% worthless garbage, disproved by me in the very beginning of this thread. You are pathetic excuse for human being.

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Posted above, the "scrap metal" made up an estimated 14% of all Equipment in the Soviet Armed Forces.

Propagandish agitprop propaganda.

Using such sources as you do is the last thing reasonable person will do.

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What you think if Russia lent out Tones and Tones of Equipment you don't think they would make them pay for it ?

We paid for it with tons and tons of metal, food and oil, which would better be used by ourselves.

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yeah that what i thought and i heard nothing off this to my understanding they came to some sorrt of agreement in 1971

I repeat: modern America demands modern Russia to pay back sums for Lend-Lease.

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You don't need to say ANY words. Your words are 100% worthless garbage, disproved by me in the very beginning of this thread. You are pathetic excuse for human being

Your so childish iam really starting to think you might be younger then me.

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Propagandish agitprop propaganda.

Using such sources as you do is the last thing reasonable person will do.

-I did post many links if you would just go look at them.

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Propagandish agitprop propaganda.

Using such sources as you do is the last thing reasonable person will do.

-Every thing is Propaganda propaganda you bloody know iam right why can't you just ACCEPT dafeat cause you know i won.

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We paid for it with tons and tons of metal, food and oil, which would better be used by ourselves.

-Tones of Food,Metal,Oil my ass what you might have paid it later like 10 years after the war was over so i don't count know do it.

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I repeat: modern America demands modern Russia to pay back sums for Lend-Lease

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LEARN TO SPELL CORRECTLY!

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iam really starting to think you might be younger then me.

I am many times older than you.

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I did post many links if you would just go look at them.

So? Neither of them are credible.

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Every thing is Propaganda propaganda you bloody know iam right why can't you just ACCEPT dafeat cause you know i won.

Again, you are LIAR. You claim that Lend-Lease Program was critical for victory.

I've disproven it, and NO serious person will EVER agree with your claim. Yet, you somehow consider that you "won" over reasonable people.

I don't understand such idiotic tactic - you claim ridiculous laughable and outlandish stuff, and asking us to accept it? ARE YOU KIDDING OR WHAT?

Next time, you will claim stuff like "moon is made of green cheese" or something like that. You are a joke, a clown, and nothing more.

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Tones of Food,Metal,Oil my ass what you might have paid it later like 10 years after the war was over so i don't count know do it.

We were paying it DURING the war, not after the war, you stupid cretin!

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Post a link

ALREADY DID, YOU STUPID IDIOT! AND YOU AGREED TO ACCEPT IT! AND NOW YOU FORGET IT AND CONTINUE YOUR AGITPROP! WHAT SORT OF SHORT-MEMORY CRETIN YOU ARE???

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I am many times older than you.

-Well mabe you need to do some growing up ?

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So? Neither of them are credible

-Says ???

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Again, you are LIAR. You claim that Lend-Lease Program was critical for victory

-Well Yes i think it was, i have shown many many statistics showing how it was and how with out it the Soviet Union would have been in for it.

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I've disproven it, and NO serious person will EVER agree with your claim. Yet, you somehow consider that you "won" over reasonable people.

-NO you never only in your world but come back to reality know and show me some satisitcs.

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I don't understand such idiotic tactic - you claim ridiculous laughable and outlandish stuff, and asking us to accept it? ARE YOU KIDDING OR WHAT?

-No iam not, personl question or you on crack or what ?

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We were paying it DURING the war, not after the war, you stupid cretin

-That makes alot of sence cause the allies where sending you oil and then you sell it back and all the food come on do you really belive in the Bs that is coming out of your mouth realy lising to what your saying.

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ALREADY DID, YOU STUPID IDIOT! AND YOU AGREED TO ACCEPT IT! AND NOW YOU FORGET IT AND CONTINUE YOUR AGITPROP! WHAT SORT OF SHORT-MEMORY CRETIN YOU ARE???

-C alwese attacking me on a person leavel cause you know iam right. Please just accept that facts. I have no Short-Memory.

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Says ???

Says me, Vladimir Frolov, respected military engineer, chairman of Mil-Tech movement, grandchild of Soviet War General Pyotr Lebiediev, child of two military engineers (one of which, Tatyana Frolova (Lebedieva) was personal friend of Marshal Zhukov).

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Well Yes i think it was, i have shown many many statistics showing how it was and how with out it the Soviet Union would have been in for it.

You statistics is agitprop which I disproved many times. Why I need to repeat?

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NO you never only in your world but come back to reality know and show me some satisitcs.

I've already did. Do you read my posts or not?

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No iam not, personl question or you on crack or what ?

Soviets didn't use drugs.

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That makes alot of sence cause the allies where sending you oil

THEY NEVER SEND US ANY!!! WE NEVER RECEIVED ANY!!!

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C alwese attacking me on a person leavel cause you know iam right

No, I attack you on person level because YOU REALLY PISSED ME OFF WITH YOUR IGNORANCE.

I am freaking angry that such arrogant idiot still walks on earth, and is not shot like a dog.

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I have no Short-Memory.

LOL! In one post, you say "yes, I agree", few posts later, you say "no, I don't". If it is not short-memory, what is that?

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Says me, Vladimir Frolov, respected military engineer, chairman of Mil-Tech movement, grandchild of Soviet War General Pyotr Lebiediev, child of two military engineers (one of which, Tatyana Frolova (Lebedieva) was personal friend of Marshal Zhukov).

-Vs the Rest of the World.

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You statistics is agitprop which I disproved many times. Why I need to repeat?

-You have not shown me ONE satisitc all you have done is wen't on about how Russia as to pay for Equipment LENT to them.

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THEY NEVER SEND US ANY!!! WE NEVER RECEIVED ANY!!!

-Yes you did and leing is bad.

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No, I attack you on person level because YOU REALLY PISSED ME OFF WITH YOUR IGNORANCE.

I am freaking angry that such arrogant idiot still walks on earth, and is not shot like a dog

-Iam not ignorant your just mad because you can't prove me wroung.

-So just because iam arrogant iam sposs to be shoot

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LOL! In one post, you say "yes, I agree", few posts later, you say "no, I don't". If it is not short-memory, what is that?

-Know i dont ever rember agreing with you on the Land-Lease was not important ececpt at the begin then i had some comon sense and looked up the subject more and found out it was more important then i frist thow so i changed it.

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Vs the Rest of the World

No, vs. 12-year old kid =SoViEt=.

Historicans of "the rest of the world" are on my side, not yours.

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Yes you did and leing is bad.

Nonsense! WHY WOULD WE NEED ANY OIL, WHEN WE WAS MAJOR OIL-EXPORTER???

It is, like, say, "George Bush decided to support Iraqi economy by sending them oil".

Don't you see how laughable it sounds: "sending oil to Russia"?

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Iam not ignorant your just mad because you can't prove me wroung

No, I am mad, because you don't listen to proof, continuing to spout your lies.

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So just because iam arrogant iam sposs to be shoot

You are not just ignorant, but you also insulting people, both living and dead. That cannot be tolerated.

OK, maybe I over-reacted about shooting you, but that's how I feel when people behave like jerks for months.

You joined 13 june 2004, and since then, you behave like complete jerk. That pisses me off.

Try to systematically piss of ANY person for three months, and he will want to shoot you.

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Know i dont ever rember agreing with you on the Land-Lease was not important ececpt at the begin then i had some comon sense and looked up the subject more and found out it was more important then i frist thow so i changed it

You don't have any common sense, so from all sources you check, you will choose only "sensationalist" that back your jingoist anti-Soviet beliefs. That is simple psychological reaction of 12-year old kids like you.