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Post 31 May 2012, 16:42
The fact that Stalin roamed around the vicinities of the Kremlin with only one or two bodyguards prove that he is loved and admired by the populace despite his alleged crude behaviour and alleged "misdeeds". Please comment on these.
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Post 31 May 2012, 16:44
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The fact that Stalin roamed around the vicinities of the Kremlin with only one or two bodyguards prove that he is loved and admired by the populace despite his alleged crude behaviour and alleged "misdeeds".

No it doesn't.
And post a source for this claim.
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Post 31 May 2012, 16:56
STALIN: The Court of the Red Tsar by Simon Sebag Montefiore page 3, 1st paragraph:
"The magnates (Stalin and Molotov and company) strolled around Moscow with hardly any security. Even the suspicious Stalin, who was already hated in the countryside (alleged by the author, not me), walked home from his Old Square office with just one bodyguard....."
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Post 31 May 2012, 17:13
Your quote says that Stalin was hated in the countryside.
What is the purpose of this thread?
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Post 31 May 2012, 17:29
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Your quote says that Stalin was hated in the countryside.
What is the purpose of this thread?


I am sure that if you wanted the source, you also wanted the exact quote in the book. So I gave the exact quote plus the fact that the story or information would reflect on the author of the book. If he was "hated", then why roam around Moscow with just one bodyguard. Churchill had so many attempts on his life. Stalin had none. So, Stalin was loved and admired by the majority of the populace.
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Post 31 May 2012, 17:47
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So, Stalin was loved and admired by the majority of the populace.

Perhaps, but your quote in no way proves this.
The fact that Stalin once walked with one bodyguard doesn't prove that he was loved by the majority of the populace.
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Post 31 May 2012, 17:53
The fact that every communist leader from the leaders of the Eastern Bloc from Ho Chi Minh to Kim Il Sung, from Jose Maria Sison of the Communist Party of the Philippines to the Tarucs of the Moscow oriented PKP, invoke the name of Comrade Stalin is good enough evidence to prove that the people of these communist states and its followers love Joseph Stalin. Yes, Nikita condemned his alleged 'atrocities' in public but who is without these. The people who admire Comrade Stalin firmly believe that there is nothing worse than the American nuclear bombing of Hiroshima.
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Post 31 May 2012, 17:59
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The fact that every communist leader from the leaders of the Eastern Bloc from Ho Chi Minh to Kim Il Sung, from Jose Maria Sison of the Communist Party of the Philippines to the Tarucs of the Moscow oriented PKP, invoke the name of Comrade Stalin is good enough evidence to prove that the people of these communist states and its followers love Joseph Stalin.

No. Khruschev was one of the most vocal in praising Stalin in the 30s. Again this doesn't really prove anything.

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Yes, Nikita condemned his alleged 'atrocities' in public but who is without these.

Most of these "atrocities" are made up nonsense.

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The people who admire Comrade Stalin firmly believe that there is nothing worse than the American nuclear bombing of Hiroshima.

What?
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Post 31 May 2012, 18:08
I don't know as to what or whose Communist Party you belong. But I am sure that if ever you belong to the Communist Party of USA of which I am also a member, you stand higher than me in the hierarchy. So I respect your views and that I may learn more from you. A member who does not miss paying his dues..
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Post 31 May 2012, 18:31
This certainly does not "groove he was loved by the populace". Please say your being sarcastic...
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Post 31 May 2012, 18:43
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I don't know as to what or whose Communist Party you belong. But I am sure that if ever you belong to the Communist Party of USA of which I am also a member, you stand higher than me in the hierarchy. So I respect your views and that I may learn more from you. A member who does not miss paying his dues..

Whatever. What's the point of this spam?
And you're a member of the CPUSA now?
Because you said "Here in Canada..." in that other thread.
Troll better.
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Post 31 May 2012, 18:59
Yes, I am from Canada but the fact that the Communist Party of USA sends me email reminding me to pay my dues and I do so makes me also a member of CPUSA. I do not intend to be a troll. I was arguing in good faith with sincerity and good faith. If I've offended you, then I am sorry. I just like to browse in this forum and contribute what I can contribute. Delete the thread if you consider it a troll.
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Post 31 May 2012, 19:10
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I do not intend to be a troll. I was arguing in good faith with sincerity and good faith. If I've offended you, then I am sorry. I just like to browse in this forum and contribute what I can contribute. Delete the thread if you consider it a troll.

Ok, my mistake, sorry if i offended you. We are looking forward to your contributions. I can't delete threads as i'm not a moderator.
Your first thread was a bit trollish and there are better ways to defend Stalin.
Again, i apologize for my behaviour.
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Post 31 May 2012, 19:11
Apology accepted. I also apologize for any offense I have unconsciously committed. But I assure you, I will behave and show respect to every poster..
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Post 28 Aug 2012, 15:32
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If he was "hated", then why roam around Moscow with just one bodyguard. Churchill had so many attempts on his life. Stalin had none. So, Stalin was loved and admired by the majority of the populace.


Your logic is not sound, because your conclusion that 'Stalin was loved and admired' does not automatically follow from the premises that are presented above. There may have been any number of reasons as to why no attempts were made to assassinate him, or perhaps there were attempts but we have yet to find out about them. It's possible that any and all attempts were thwarted in the early planning stages, and so never had a chance of success.

To my knowledge, there were never any attempts to assassinate M. Gorbachev whilst he was in office; can one seriously believe that the reason for this was that he was so 'loved and admired' by the Soviet people? Hardly.
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Post 28 Aug 2012, 19:35
Statistically wise, the probability of him loved by the greater majority is high such that in every Plenum of every communist country, there hangs his portrait in front of the legislative halls and chambers. The aggressiveness displayed by enemies of Stalin like Hitler was not suppose to be taken for granted. Without trustworthy bodyguards and loyal populace surrounding his quarters in the Kremlin, I would say there would be some probability that he will be assassinated. Hence, I therefore conclude that Stalin is the most beloved leader of Russia compared to others like Putin who recently was subject of an assassination attempt by terrorists from Chechnya. The probability in not nil coming from an amateur statisticial like me. ( I got a grade of B+ in Statistics). And you sir?
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