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The Berlin Wall - Justified? Unjustified?

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Apr 2008, 03:25
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Post 26 Sep 2009, 14:52
Maybe but FDR was really leaning towards helping Great Britain. They already had the lend-lease act and I doubt he would have sat by and watched if Great Britain got destroyed.
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Post 26 Sep 2009, 14:54
Alright, I was thinking more about continental Europe anyway.
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Post 26 Sep 2009, 19:54
If pearl harbor hadnt happened and the usa hadnt entered the world war 2( which i believe it would have done it eventually), and battle for britain was won by the germans and it was stalin all the way defeating hitler, the only difference would have been germany being total socialist rather than east and west since soviets wont be invading france and britain because the invaders were already defeated in berlin.
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Post 26 Sep 2009, 21:01
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Oh like England and France would join the Warsaw Pact.


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Post 27 Sep 2009, 02:47
No I got that I just wanted to say how unlikely that would be. Actually there were a lot of socialists in France that didn't like Charles De Gaulle
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 25 Sep 2009, 21:46
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Post 29 Sep 2009, 02:36
Well the wall was kind of a funny thing. As others pointed out, it kept out the largest political enemy of the DDR. Those who crossed it knew what was coming. They could had gone on a "vacation" to the less strict Peoples Republic Of Poland and escape that way. I have talked to people who lived in the DDR, they say it was ok aside from the Stazi monitoring your every move. Also the SED's multiple fake parties was rather comical. Oh and the mass produced apartments that had paper thin walls. The people that were running out were enemies of the Revolution, not looking forward but looking backward at the materialistic or even fascist (nazi) past.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 31 Aug 2009, 07:21
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Post 06 Oct 2009, 06:26
There may have been good things and bad things regarding the "Berlin Wall" & it's purpose. The German people appear to be divided on this issue, at least according to "CNN".

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All Text Below Retrieved From:http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/1999/11/burns.wall.nov8/

What the Berlin Wall still stands for

By Chris Burns
CNN Berlin Bureau Chief


November 8, 1999
Web posted at: 9:23 a.m. EST (1423 GMT)

This news analysis was written for CNN Interactive

BERLIN (CNN) -- There aren't many places where history is as in-your-face as the newly restored capital of a unified Germany.

For 28 years, the Berlin Wall was the starkest symbol of the Cold War. Ten years after the Wall fell -- an event that unified the city in a street party for days starting November 9, 1989 -- the past still has a vivid influence on daily lives.

How the Wall came down
The two Berlins became rival showcases of the two systems. East Berlin was the Communist worker's paradise, with new high-rise apartment buildings, majestic squares, monuments and the television tower, or Fernsehturm, that still dominates Berlin today. West Berlin was an island of capitalist freedom, propped up by generous aid from West Germany.

To prevent Germany from becoming a literal superpower battlefield, West German leaders such as Chancellor Willy Brandt pursued Ostpolitik, improving relations with the East through exchanges and financial support.

Equally important were changes in Moscow. Mikhail Gorbachev took the helm there in 1985 and shook it up with perestroika reforms. He told Eastern bloc leaders they, too, had to change. Moscow would no longer intervene militarily to prop up their regimes.

Still seeking unity
Unification came on October 3, 1990, less than a year after the Wall fell.

But a truly unified Germany has yet to be. Germans still speak of the Ossies in the East and the Wessies in the West. Despite hundreds of billions of dollars in aid since unification, unemployment in the East is still double that of western Germany, as high as 20 percent in Saxony-Anhalt state.

Yearning for the past

Along with "the Wall in the head," the Cold War legacy has played out in other ironic and colorful ways, some that divide and others that unify eastern and western Germany.

Ostalgie is nostalgia for the simpler times of the old days in the East.

Ostalgie parties last month marked what would have been the 50th anniversary of the German Democratic Republic. Eastern Germans dressed in green army and blue youth group uniforms, upholding a former cultural identity that has long been discredited and ridiculed by western Germans.

Complete Article:http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/1999/11/burns.wall.nov8/#3
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Sep 2005, 13:48
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Post 29 Oct 2009, 13:55
I've just read that U2 are playing at the Brandenburg Gate to mark the 20th anniversary of the wall coming down.

Just wondering what do you all think about it?

Should it be an occasion that's celebrated?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 29 Oct 2009, 13:58
The non-consensual annexation of a country should never be celebrated.
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Post 29 Oct 2009, 18:49
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The non-consensual annexation of a country should never be celebrated.


I agree!
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Post 06 Nov 2009, 21:35
Stay on topic please.
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Post 09 Nov 2009, 13:42
I definitely agree with comrades Fitzy, Mabool and CheLives, and would like to add that "the DDR's line that the wall was anti-Fascist" was not an exaggeration at all. I remember, just after the fall of the wall, a documentary film where East Berlin Nazi skinheads were interviewed and talked about their collaboration with the West Berlin Nazis, who enjoyed more liberty to act.
Sad day today in history. A wall built to protect a People's Democracy fell, much more extended walls built to defend the criminal privileges of imperialist nations stand.
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Post 09 Nov 2009, 14:17
All of Germany is partying today... I want to cry. Seriously, it depresses me so much to see how everyone swallows their lies.
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Post 09 Nov 2009, 14:54
That would explain why here in the UK the National Geographic channel is showing Berlin Wall: Great Escapes, while the History Channel is showing a 2 hour long progamme called The Rise and Fall Of the Berlin Wall.

I thought the latter sounded interesting, but I think it's just about famous escapes, etc.
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Post 09 Nov 2009, 15:07
There's been a fair bit of media hype about the fall of the Wall here as well. It is frustrating how people are swallowing the crap, but I'm trying to ignore it.
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Post 09 Nov 2009, 15:51
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it depresses me so much to see how everyone swallows their lies.


You have our solidarity, comrade. In Italy too, they are organizing concerts to celebrate. Meanwhile, they are rehabiliting the fascist volunteers of the Italian Social Republic, people having sworn loyalty to fascism sit in the government, Berlusconi uses the Roman salute when dealing with the most far rights movement...
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Post 09 Nov 2009, 16:27
In Italy? I never knew outside of Germany people cared so much.
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Post 09 Nov 2009, 19:48
Yes, dear comrade, they care... They care about anything they may use to celebrate capitalist egemony and to demonize the opposition to the system. They are going to held concerts, firework shows and feast over the ashes of workers' states, and rights.
Rome's mayor Alemanno, as well as French president Sarkozy, was even present at the wall's fall: an ex-squad member having participated to the reconstituted fascisct party Ordine Nuovo, having granted honourary Roman citizenship to the Dalai Lama, wearing a Celtic cross as a necklace, the fascist model, not the traditional Celtic one you are surely accustomed to see in your county, cothman Kernewek whek...
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Post 09 Nov 2009, 23:51
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Aug 2009, 02:30
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Post 09 Dec 2009, 22:01
I definetly think its justified, specially after the facts CheLives said wich i didnt knew, fragging capitalist dogs, why cant they let a country live in peace bastards

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