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Here's the basis of my political views...

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 02 Aug 2016, 23:05
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Post 16 Aug 2016, 00:35
OK, I figure this is best place to post this, let me know if I am wrong. But I have been thinking about my political views lately, mostly due to this election shit show we are having in the States. I ended up asking myself what the core of my personal political beliefs were and where I might draw a line in the sand that says do not cross or else. you know, I wanted to separate what base beliefs that I consider necessities from the rest of the details. I came to realize that the argument of Socialism or Capitalism didn't matter that much to me. All that matter to me are personal freedom and rights. I.E. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to own property, the right to due process, to keep and bare arms, and truly equal treatment between races, genders, and religious factions. I decided that the single biggest thing I hate about my Government is how they kowtow to the elite 1% of this country, and other countries even, for monetary payouts and power. Even when it is painfully obvious that they are doing it, they keep on doing it. It drives me nuts. I would say that I identify as a Moderate Libertarian as my perfect world would be I do what I want so long as I stay within the confines of general morality, pay my taxes or what ever, and am a productive member of society with as little federal level government interference in my everyday life.. So with these things in mind, mostly for fun, I ask this question. What kind of Socialist, if any, could I be with these kinds of views? If anyone wants me to elaborate on anything, let me know. Consider this my first time being at all open to the idea of Socialism or Communism ever. Is there a form of socialism that my ideas meld with or am I just a hopeless capitalist at heart?
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Post 16 Aug 2016, 02:52
Your basic positions seem Libertarian in nature.

I'd say it comes down to how much scope (or right) you believe the Gov't has to draw money for public purposes (roads, schools, disease prevention, intervention in civil rights issues). If you believe the Fed has the right to overrule local or state governments on such positions as Wallace at the schoolroom door, you might be more of a Sanders Democrat.

My own position is basically that of a democratic Socialist (more radical than Bernie, less absolute than Lenin). I prefer economic activity to be centralized at the public level, wages abolished, civil and personal rights guaranteed, and the Banksters in prison.
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Post 16 Aug 2016, 03:02
Kaiser Wilhelm wrote:
I came to realize that the argument of Socialism or Capitalism didn't matter that much to me.

This sounds less libertarian than it does center-left social liberal, actually. Libertarians usually care tremendously about economic issues, usually more than social ones even if their widespread loathing for feminism and monarchy fetish are any indication. It tends to be the center-left who view their economic views as "just what works."

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I would say that I identify as a Moderate Libertarian as my perfect world would be I do what I want so long as I stay within the confines of general morality, pay my taxes or what ever, and am a productive member of society with as little federal level government interference in my everyday life.. So with these things in mind, mostly for fun, I ask this question. What kind of Socialist, if any, could I be with these kinds of views? If anyone wants me to elaborate on anything, let me know. Consider this my first time being at all open to the idea of Socialism or Communism ever. Is there a form of socialism that my ideas meld with or am I just a hopeless capitalist at heart?

"I could do what I want as long as I pay my taxes" is pretty vague and not something most people of any stripe on the left would disagree with. You did previously mention the right to private property though. Marxists define "private property" (as opposed to personal property) as private ownership of the means of production, e.g. the workplace. If you support that, then I don't think you could be described as a socialist. You could, however, be a social democrat.
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Post 21 May 2017, 23:23
Kaiser Wilhelm wrote:
OK, I figure this is best place to post this, let me know if I am wrong. But I have been thinking about my political views lately, mostly due to this election shit show we are having in the States. I ended up asking myself what the core of my personal political beliefs were and where I might draw a line in the sand that says do not cross or else. you know, I wanted to separate what base beliefs that I consider necessities from the rest of the details. I came to realize that the argument of Socialism or Capitalism didn't matter that much to me. All that matter to me are personal freedom and rights. I.E. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to own property, the right to due process, to keep and bare arms, and truly equal treatment between races, genders, and religious factions. I decided that the single biggest thing I hate about my Government is how they kowtow to the elite 1% of this country, and other countries even, for monetary payouts and power. Even when it is painfully obvious that they are doing it, they keep on doing it. It drives me nuts. I would say that I identify as a Moderate Libertarian as my perfect world would be I do what I want so long as I stay within the confines of general morality, pay my taxes or what ever, and am a productive member of society with as little federal level government interference in my everyday life.. So with these things in mind, mostly for fun, I ask this question. What kind of Socialist, if any, could I be with these kinds of views? If anyone wants me to elaborate on anything, let me know. Consider this my first time being at all open to the idea of Socialism or Communism ever. Is there a form of socialism that my ideas meld with or am I just a hopeless capitalist at heart?


Excellent question!

There is something called "Libertarian Communism". As you may know, communism grew out of anarchism. In the 1980s, the Soviet government released its grip on power, while our own government became steadily more oppressive.

The Bolsheviks made some huge mistakes, in my opinion. Abolishing the free market was one of them. Lenin's "New Economic Policy" (NEP), as I understand it, restored the free market, and it was wildly successful. But Staliin killed NEP after Lenin's death.

Note that Ayn Rand's "Atlantis" in Atlas Shrugged is a lot like a communist utopia! John Galt has a monopoly on electric power and could gouge his customers. Instead, he puts the needs of society above the profit imperative.

The Bolsheviks were 100 years ahead of their time. They were forced to use extreme measures to defend the revolution. They also suffered from an excess of revolutionary zeal. They were pioneering an untested idea, and they were often desperate. If communism were reinvented today, many of these mistakes could be avoided. The new communist society would be an open society: People would get to observe the decline and collapse of the West through the Internet.

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As part of the political turmoil of the 1790s in the wake of the French Revolution, William Godwin developed the first expression of modern anarchist thought. Godwin was, according to Peter Kropotkin, "the first to formulate the political and economical conceptions of anarchism, even though he did not give that name to the ideas developed in his work", while Godwin attached his anarchist ideas to an early Edmund Burke.

Godwin is generally regarded as the founder of the school of thought known as 'philosophical anarchism'. He argued in Political Justice (1793) that government has an inherently malevolent influence on society, and that it perpetuates dependency and ignorance. He thought that the spread of the use of reason to the masses would eventually cause government to wither away as an unnecessary force. Although he did not accord the state with moral legitimacy, he was against the use of revolutionary tactics for removing the government from power. Rather, he advocated for its replacement through a process of peaceful evolution.
-- "Anarchism", Wikipedia, 16 Mar 2017

Because anarchists were critical of state and church, they were hated and reviled by the ruling elite -- the powerful.

Power corrupts and often drives men insane, but there seems to be no cure: Countering the corrupt and deranged and removing them from power requires the existence of a still greater power! Society seems to lack effective "checks and balances".

Marx thought that the working class would coalesce and become that greater power or that missing check on power. Because Marxists took up the cause of the working man while criticizing state and church, they were doubly or triply hated. They were feared and despised, not only by the aristocracy, but also by the robber barons of the industrial revolution. The latter feared that labor rights would cut into profits.
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