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Post 28 May 2012, 07:26
So tonight I was arguing with some Youtube boob about shit and they told me something I'd never heard of before. I know people here are quite intelligent and always give great insight on things. I appreciate that a lot. I'm sorry if this is the wrong place but it seemed appropriate.

So anyways I was talking to this holier than thou ass on Youtube about things and they were saying shit about me and I was a problem with the Communist party which was amusing to me. But anyways then the person revealed what they were and I'd never heard of it before.

They said they were a republican and a separatist and still a socialist. I lmao with that cause I'd never heard of such a thing. I have heard of libertarian-socialism and even that makes no sense to me too. But I'd never heard of this before.

This person said they wanted to separate the UK. I reminded them in communism there's no boarders. So what do you think?

Oh and fyi about this person they didn't talk to me at all about anything but minority/majority crap about things and labels. All they knew about me is that I curse and I identify as a Marxist-Leninist and I'm not a member of any political party (don't believe in that). Oh and even with things I was bored since I have a cold and was fragging around with the person. It was pretty amusing.
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Post 28 May 2012, 07:56
Talking politics on Youtube is something I try to avoid, although there's obviously a temptation to look at the comments on some videos. Usually they just infuriate me though.

LittlePinky wrote:
They said they were a republican and a separatist and still a socialist.
If we're talking about the UK then being a Republican might be very different from what it means in the US today. As long as you bear that in mind, I suppose it's not too difficult to imagine that someone might want the UK to become a Republic, rather than a Constitutional Monarchy and that this particular Republic might be of a socialistic nature. I'm not entirely clear on what they are wanting to separate from ... Europe presumably ... there seems to plenty of sentiment of this kind in the UK.
Communists generally might want to do away with International borders, but there's no obvious reason to suppose that everyone who is sympathetic to socialistic ideas shares that degree of Internationalism.
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Post 28 May 2012, 07:58
Same here. This person told me though in his political party, didn't name names so it might not exist, said that he would keep people out! Riff-raff, degenerates and criminals. I was shocked at that! I'm no expert in communism but my thought was that in communism EVERYONE was involved! And who gets to decide who is a riff-raff and a degenerate? Me cause I speak with a southern accent, say words like "ain't" and "y'all" and curse when I feel like it? I told that person he was gross to me and I wanted nothing to do with a party like that!
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Post 28 May 2012, 08:07
Generally speaking Communism is meant to be for everyone, but as long as there are separate non-socialist countries there is going to be the potential to get rid of politically and socially undesirable people by deporting them:
The Mariel boatlift for example.

It's probably better than shooting them I guess.
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Post 28 May 2012, 08:18
Sorry but that's just disgusting to me. I'm someone who is an individual who doesn't really judge other people like that. Sure, I do to see their character and if they're like that person. Who wants to kick out people cause they're "riff-raff" or "degenerates." Even criminals can change themselves. Especially if their crime was something with drugs (especially with pot).

Let's just say I know what it feels like to not exist in the world. In my part of the world I've had bad experiences with people in general. I know how it feels to not be accepted for who you are. You aren't the prettiest girl or the most well spoken or you aren't really intelligent in something. I never was popular or anything in high school and mostly stuck to the friends I did have and school was difficult for me (I was happy to just get a D in a subject). Now as an adult the same situation. So why would I want to treat others like that? I wouldn't. Why am I more important than someone else who may have ratty clothes? Or who may not smell nice or have nice teeth or who been to prison in the past? If someone has been to prison and has shown they're sorry for their crime or if it's drugs they got help (minus pot that's more like smoking a cig) why am I someone to judge them?

I'm not any better than they are. I'm a heavier girl am I an undeseriable person because of my weight? I have scars on myself from a private issue does that mean I'm anyone less because of all that? We need a crying emoticon.
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Post 28 May 2012, 08:46
Didn't mean to offend... I merely meant that communist states have (over the course of history) treated certain criminals in much harsher ways than merely allowing them to emigrate.

A great deal of crime is a consequence of the capitalist system so hopefully much will vanish with the obsolete economic system. Personally, I think there is much greater potential for criminal rehabilitation than is even attempted in most countries - crime should be addressed as a social problem, rather than just punishing people in some infantile gesture of revenge.
Much of the petty crime you are talking about needs to be treated differently, but sadly there will still probably be some pathological criminals who need to be isolated from society in some sort of facility.

Certainly though, if communism is to live up to it's claims (of being a comprehensive system) it needs to be capable of resolving the problem of crime in a better manner than it's predecessors.
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Post 28 May 2012, 09:03
I agree about crime. Isn't it Switzerland or Sweden who has a really great reform system for criminals? I can't remember which country but I remember seeing about it somewhere (maybe Al Jazeera?) and they let the criminals have more of a reform system than just punishment. Especially for drug offenders. It seemed to work really well for them too where the offenders weren't going back all the time for whatever reason's....

And yes I'm, for the most part, a pretty peaceful person. I don't do violence unless I have to defend myself... I've been hurt before physically by someone pretty badly (without getting too personal) and so I understand the importance of defending ones self. However, I don't believe in hurting other people for revenge. I'm against the death penalty mostly cause a) it's inhumane and B ) because I believe in reincarnation and as such it's just an escape to the after life and beyond. I'd rather the person serve life in prison and pay for their crimes. Even if it was against someone I loved. It would mean more to me cause of my beliefs with that....


But this person claimed to be a Trotsky and how his group kept out riff-raff and degenerates (whatever that means) and criminals. Criminals is obvious but once someone has reformed they should be able to belong if they believe in the cause and such. As someone who has been an "undesirable" as I said, I would rather be with the riff-raff and degenerates than with holier than thou snobs than that. This person was no different than the rich kids in high school who won't even recognize you as an individual if you aren't of a certain background and/or look.

Thank you for apologizing though...
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Post 30 May 2012, 02:16
It needs to be stressed that communists are generally a pretty bloodthirsty lot - I just don't usually happen to be one of them.
Many are pro-death penalty and seem to regard the prospect of class warfare with considerable enthusiasm.
We need to be aware of the violence and suffering that imperialism and capitalism inflict on a regular and massive scale, so consequently there indeed may be a necessity for some violent acts so that things might be put into a socially harmonious order.
Personally, however I think that violent action carries it's own consequences and needs to avoided as much as is humanly possible. Violence can be a way of resolving certain types of issues, but it is of limited usefulness and there is always the serious risk of unintended consequences.
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Post 31 May 2012, 05:23
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It needs to be stressed that communists are generally a pretty bloodthirsty lot - I just don't usually happen to be one of them.
Many are pro-death penalty and seem to regard the prospect of class warfare with considerable enthusiasm.
We need to be aware of the violence and suffering that imperialism and capitalism inflict on a regular and massive scale, so consequently there indeed may be a necessity for some violent acts so that things might be put into a socially harmonious order.
Personally, however I think that violent action carries it's own consequences and needs to avoided as much as is humanly possible. Violence can be a way of resolving certain types of issues, but it is of limited usefulness and there is always the serious risk of unintended consequences.


I'm not either. I'm not for the death penalty mostly cause I see it as an easy way out without serving your crime. And also you never know when innocent people will be put to death. If there's no death penalty at least there's a chance to make things right.

But like I said only violence I would approve of for myself is self-defense. Just hurting people for revenge is just no. What if someone innocent gets hurt in the process?

Also, something else annoying with that person is they kept going on that they were going along with what's popular. Ugh can't stand people like that. Just be yourself no matter what that is.
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