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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Jul 2011, 11:37
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Post 30 Mar 2012, 23:57
Lol, in socialist countries you can sell your own jam made from fruit from your garden and stuff like that, my father actually made quite a lot of pocket money as a youth that way (helping my grandpa [his dad] to grow fruit and vegetable in his garden, then selling the produce on the village market). You just weren't allowed to exploit labour and parasitise on other people.
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Post 31 Mar 2012, 00:01
See, in Albania you couldn't do this. Illegal.
People were, IIRC, allowed to have only up to 2 goats or cows, not more...
I also read about how some family in the USSR got arrested in the late 40s for setting up a small cookie-manufacture in their home.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Jun 2011, 08:37
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Post 31 Mar 2012, 03:51
There were stiff fines for profiteering, but I know sales of some farm goods were permitted f.x.
Id be curious as to what was the boundary.
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Post 31 Mar 2012, 12:33
In communist countries, people cannot own property. Stupid! They do not believe in God. Preposterous!
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Post 01 Apr 2012, 02:48
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In communist countries, people cannot own property.


IMHO "owning" property only serves the few, as opposed to the many. Look no further then a 'mansion amid a sea of run-of-the-mill housing.'

Although I'm in no way arguing for a return to strict, state-controlled housing, I do still agree with the idea that all private property should be abolished.

In Russia's case, during the 1917 Russian Revolution, there were attempts at implementing genuine workers' control of industry, but instead the fateful decision was made by the new Soviet government to create a nationalized economy for efficiency reasons(once they realized running an entire nation and implementing radical changes to society were easier said then done).

Abolishing all private property along Marxist-lines is far from simple. History proves that, most noticeably in Russia. But if there was one thing that the Soviet Union taught us, it was that nationalization wasn't and isn't the solution to the issue of finally eliminating private property. The new Soviet government more or less just took newly-nationalized private property over from the bourgeoisie and put it instead into the hands of bureaucratic officials, which guaranteed corruption.

As communists, it is imperative that we learn from others' mistakes and build upon them, learn from them. That's why in my opinion having good knowledge in history is very important to ensure we break from past mistakes, and create new successes.

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They do not believe in God


And that is a bad thing...because? Although a future revolutionary society(and oh how far off that society sounds!) should by no means, under any circumstances, persecute the religious as was done historically in certain socialist states, this new society should in no way endorse religion. The church(es) should in no way be able to force reforms or other polices onto the government. Church being separate from the state should be the norm.


The Soviet Union, for better or for worse, was the most liberal state in the world at the time it was created. As an example, it was the first country in the world to legalize abortion.

The Soviet Union was in no way a 'failure,' nor did it practice 'phony socialism,' so in effect it really was socialist, in my opinion. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did!

Furthermore, there are many important historical lessons to be gleaned from the existence of the USSR. Let's hope we can learn from it, and not repeat the mistakes of the past, as they say.
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Post 02 Apr 2012, 22:58
I've split the subsequent replies into its own topic: viewtopic.php?f=108&t=52304&p=881702
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Post 03 Apr 2012, 22:04
Loz, this is why you had to get up at 3 am to get milk in Hoxha's Albania and why it had child hunger in remote villages in the 1980s. Albania fragging sucked balls. I am so angered by Hoxha worship. If Albania was pure Marxism-Leninism then I'd rather have the adulterated form franky. Being sent to gulag for believing in God and selling your melons on the village market... if this is your image of true socialism I don't want to fragging take part in it. You are just going to alienate everybody and send the world to poverty. Albania was a shithole, it is still a shithole. Your family is was the socialist country with the highest living standard yet you reject that in favour of drooling over Hoxha's opression towards muslims and selling fruit being forbidden. I bet 1 percent of people who follow Hoxha or another nutter like Kim Jong Il wouldn't be able to live in their "paradises". I'd live in socialist Czechoslovakia, GDR or Yugoslavia, hell, I'd probably enjoy it far more than my present day fragged up life? But Albania? No way. "Self sufficiency" was just a cover for Hoxha's paranoia and inadeqacy in managing an economy and Albania did trade, even with USA, actually, USA was their main trade partner. Czechoslovakia was 90, yes, NINETY percent self sufficient with food and we didn't have to maintain an official dogma of "self sufficiency" for that and people here were starving in milk queues.
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Post 04 Apr 2012, 06:01
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Loz, this is why you had to get up at 3 am to get milk in Hoxha's Albania and why it had child hunger in remote villages in the 1980s.

Source?

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Albania fragging sucked balls.

Compared to some other countries the standards of living were probably lower.

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If Albania was pure Marxism-Leninism then I'd rather have the adulterated form franky.

If Czechoslovakia for example had been a genuine ML country than things would have been even better than they actually were.

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Your family is was the socialist country with the highest living standard yet you reject that in favour of drooling over Hoxha's opression towards muslims and selling fruit being forbidden.

I don't think socialism is just about living standards, jeans, Marlboro and shopping in Trieste.

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"Self sufficiency" was just a cover for Hoxha's paranoia and inadeqacy in managing an economy and Albania did trade, even with USA, actually, USA was their main trade partner.

No. In fact Albania in the 80s became really self-sufficient. That means it only imported goods payed for by its own exports (IIRC Yugoslavia and Italy and some other W.European countries were its main trade partners by that time, not the US). Taking foreign loans was forbidden.

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Czechoslovakia was 90, yes, NINETY percent self sufficient with food and we didn't have to maintain an official dogma of "self sufficiency" for that and people here were starving in milk queues.

How much oil and gas did Czechoslovakia get from the USSR every year at a very cheap price? CZE had debts to the West (albeit not that high) and the USSR.
I don't think that it strived towards self-sufficiency. Had Comecon collapsed for some reason, CZE's economy would have probably collapsed too.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Jun 2012, 15:26
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Post 26 Jun 2012, 23:43
well, I'm sorry for digging up this forum but I really enjoyed to read some posts.

Here in Portugal the arguments against communism are simple and very basic:
1- "the commies eat babies at breakfast"
2- "the commies poke the oldies"
3- "the commies don't pay their debts" (this one is fresh, it is because our communist party says they want to negociate our debts with the IMF, the EU, and the European Central Bank
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4- "communism is a political view from the past// communism doesn't work, see URSS!!"
5- "Do you agree that a teacher should be paid the same as a trash man??" usually here I say that that it isnt communism, but I had their jobs are both profoundly essential to our life and to our society, as any other professions/jobs.
6- "Communism only works if you kill those who are unnhapy!"
7- "It is because of socialists/communists that we are how we are! Look at our expenses on the health care system, on education, look look!!" this is because we have a "Socialist" Party, that isn't, at all, socialist. It helps to create the myth that we have socialism in Portugal when we don't have. And it is awesome to discredit true socialism...

Here they don't say that "the commies don't believe in God". In fact it was the first time I read that
But here in Portugal we have a lot of people who vote on the communist party that are religious (mainly people that live in the rural areas - This is because the communist party here is very strong in these areas, due to the work they have done after the revolution in 1974, mainly the land reform).

And these are the anti-communist arguments in Portugal. How sad they are
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Post 27 Jun 2012, 01:47
Loz wrote:
How much oil and gas did Czechoslovakia get from the USSR every year at a very cheap price? CZE had debts to the West (albeit not that high) and the USSR.
I don't think that it strived towards self-sufficiency. Had Comecon collapsed for some reason, CZE's economy would have probably collapsed too.


How long would the world's third world capitalist countries (and the smaller of the European ones) last if US and European imperialism collapsed? Even Albania, the shining beacon of anti-revisionism, collapsed along with the rest of Europe's socialist countries because there was no longer a socialist superpower willing and able to stand up for Left interests globally. As for Soviet oil and gas subsidies, it must be noted that the USSR received a great deal in return, including bilateral friendship and cooperation internationally, along with a trade which included a large amount of high quality producer and consumer goods. Czechoslovakia was a worthwhile friend and ally, and a country with a great historical legacy for communism.
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Post 27 Jun 2012, 02:40
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How long would the world's third world capitalist countries (and the smaller of the European ones) last if US and European imperialism collapsed?


They would have a great opportunity to restore the rate of profit, this time with them reaping the benefits and becoming the imperialists*. This is unless the Communist bloc replaces them and maintains the same relationship to the third world.

*This is presuming western imperialism collapsed because its capital/means of production were destroyed like in war, not turned into common property by communist revolution.
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Post 28 Jun 2012, 01:38
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They would have a great opportunity to restore the rate of profit, this time with them reaping the benefits and becoming the imperialists*. This is unless the Communist bloc replaces them and maintains the same relationship to the third world.


I should have made it more clear in the post, but this is what I meant.
"The thing about capitalism is that it sounds awful on paper and is horrendous in practice. Communism sounds wonderful on paper and when it was put into practice it was done pretty well for what they had to work with." -MiG
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