the reason why the dictatorship of the preletariat failed

the fact is most or all communist movements and revolutions where headed by intelligentsia. these intelligentsia came from rich and privileged family's, hell even Marx was rich. The fact is they where not true proletariat. so even though they apparently wanted to help the proletariat the fact is the only person who knows what the proletariat need is the proletariat. It's like the only person who knows himself best is the person itself kind of thing.

what about mao

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the fact is most or all communist movements and revolutions where headed by intelligentsia. these intelligentsia came from rich and privileged family's, hell even Marx was rich. The fact is they where not true proletariat. so even though they apparently wanted to help the proletariat the fact is the only person who knows what the proletariat need is the proletariat. It's like the only person who knows himself best is the person itself kind of thing.

Fundamentally wrong facts.
Soviet Union especially did a huge endeavor in educating it's workers.In 1930's proletariat was massively involved in high education programmes,and peasant sons were becoming engineers,or at least skilled workers.
Marx was poor,especially in his later life.It's Engels whose father provided him with some extra money.

what about stalin

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what about mao

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what about stalin

Oh,you're gonna be sooo yetsined for such replies if mods see this...
Care to expand the sentence at least?

Stalin was born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili in Gori in the Tiflis Governorate of the Russian Empire, to Besarion Jughashvili, a Georgian cobbler who owned his own workshop,[1] and Ketevan Geladze, a Georgian who was born a serf. Initially, the Jughashvili family lived normally, but Stalin's father became an alcoholic, which gradually led to his business failing and him becoming violently abusive to his wife and child.[2] As their financial situation grew worse, Stalin's family moved homes at least nine times in Stalin's first ten years of life.[1] The town where Stalin grew up was a violent and lawless place. It had only a small police force and a culture of violence that included gang warfare, organized street brawls and wrestling tournaments. Stalin was frequently involved in brawls with other children. In 1894, at the age of 16, he enrolled at the Orthodox Seminary of Tiflis, to which he had been awarded a scholarship. Shortly before the final exams, the Seminary abruptly raised school fees. Unable to pay, Stalin quit the seminary in 1899 and missed his exams, for which he was officially expelled. Shortly after leaving school, Stalin discovered the writings of Vladimir Lenin and decided to become a revolutionary.

Intelligentsia my ass.

ok Stalin and Mao, proletariat ok but any others ?

What a person is born as doesn't matter. It's their actions that matter.

Also, the Dictatorship of the Proletariat didn't fail, so the whole thread is stupid.

ok then mabool. where did it succeed ?

USSR? The Soviet Union had successfully completed the period of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat by the 50's and was fully socialist right until the 80's.

"Dictatorship of the Proletariat" and "Socialism" are two different things. The DotP is when we've just gotten into power and are busy with liquidating the enemy classes. When the enemy classes are gone (And Stalin was definitely successful with getting rid of them), and classlessness is basically achieved, we have socialism. At this point, the state is only needed to defend the classless society from imperialism. When the whole world is socialist, the state can disappear and we're lfet with communism.

that failed thought. and Stalin, although he industrialized the USSR did not care much for human life

The state is also needed in socialism to administer rationing, as abundance does not yet exist

No, it didn't.

The socialist system of the USSR never failed. It was destroyed on purpose by Gorbachev's economic reforms. The USSR wasn't socialist when it collapsed. What "failed" was Gorbachev's pseudo-social-democratic transition phase.

Also your original point is still invalid because ALL General Secretaries of the CPSU, after Lenin, were from a working class background. Workers. Duh.

And Conscript is right.

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The socialist system of the USSR never failed. It was destroyed on purpose by Gorbachev's economic reforms. The USSR wasn't socialist when it collapsed.

Agreed.

But it's Too bad that comrade Andrei Mazenov isn't here.I recall him claiming that socialism was effectively destroyed after Nikita the shoe-banger came to power.Though he didn't really elaborate it.

Lmfao shoe banger

I agree that post 1956 the soviet union was officially revisionist, but I don't think that changes the fact it has a socialist mode of production. Though I do remember kirov talking about a switch to profit oriented production, instead of orienting towards meeting demand. Maybe he can elaborate.

ok if this is true maybe i am just misinformed. but i have many failure's of the communist party of the USSR btw i only have access to capitalist made books. Was Fidel Castro a proletariat ?

Who cares? It doesn't matter if he was or he wasn't. With time given, a person of any class can find appeal in socialism.

Sorry man i just wanted to know.....

Then to answer your question I don't think he was exactly proletarian. Also he wasn't really a communist from the start. Raul castro was though.

Raol was a communist ok