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Post 10 Jan 2009, 10:41
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Germa ... st_current)

These bastards have been destroying Communist unity and distorting the world view of many young Communists in Germany for nearly two decades now. In addition to what is outlined in the Wikipedia article, they're also opposed to class war (indeed, they oppose the very concept of classes although they claim to be Marxists) and have been protesting against German Mosques together with Nazis, because of their opposition to what they call "Islamofascism".

What do you think of their views?
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Post 10 Jan 2009, 13:52
They make other germans think that all communists hate the german people with their strange banners and rallies.
Because of them, many (young) people are confused and lose their last interest for communism or socialism. It seems to me that anti-islamism is much stronger than anti-semitism these days and they are partly responsible for that.

Anti-Germans unconditionally support the US war policy and justify it with things like "the Islamofascism". They don't even think about other options than war, mostly because they are stupid youths and have never seen what real war is like...
They are against a multicultural society because it creates freedom for Islamic extremists, and they kinda reduce their world view to Philosemites and Antisemites.
Their views don't make much sence to me, and their slogans are more deterrent than logical.
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Post 11 Jan 2009, 07:55
I hate to sound like a Conspiracy Theorist, but does anyone else want to entertain the hypothesis that the "Anti-Germans" were created by the BND to fracture the German Left.
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Post 11 Jan 2009, 08:29
Page doesn't exist. Also haven't heard of them before.
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Post 11 Jan 2009, 11:28
Just type this in the English Wikipedia search: Anti-Germans (communist current)

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I hate to sound like a Conspiracy Theorist, but does anyone else want to entertain the hypothesis that the "Anti-Germans" were created by the BND to fracture the German Left.


I never thought of this before, but it seems plausible.
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Post 11 Jan 2009, 16:23
That's not what the BND does. However, Justus Wertmüller, the main editor of the Anti-German newspaper "Bahamas" and something like the leader of the movement, has been proven to be friends with some high-ranking BKA officers. (BKA = Bundeskriminalamt = Federal Office of Criminality, something like the FBI)

It really seems very plausible. I mean, except of hating Germany, Anti-Germans think exactly what the German state wants them to think: Israel is great, Muslim immigrants are bad, don't revolt against the state and support the USA. They're more like radical neoconservatives than Communists.
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Post 11 Jan 2009, 16:34
They sound like German neo-cons who, unlike their American counterparts, didn't bother to overtly break with their Communist past. They also sound like a bunch of assholes.
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Post 11 Jan 2009, 16:38
The name itself is obviously questionable. It's amazing how some people will just go along with anything. :/

Terms like Islamofascism are just really annoying (up there with United $nakes). Pathetic attempts at affecting perceptions of reality through really stupid sounding terms. I might hate work, but you don't see me calling it whorek.
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Post 11 Jan 2009, 17:15
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They sound like German neo-cons who, unlike their American counterparts, didn't bother to overtly break with their Communist past. They also sound like a bunch of assholes.


American neoconservatives have a Communist past?

Also, as much as I hate them, I need to say in their defense that they're violently against homophobia and they actually are anti-Capitalists (unlike "actual" neoconservatives) but since they've completely discarded the idea of class war, they just have no idea how to overcome it.

The radical left of Germany is divided mainly about the Issue of Israel. Those who are opposed to Israel's practices and/or its very existence are called anti-Imperialists and are a very heterogenous mix of Communists, Trotskyites, Anarchists and radical libertarians. The anti-Germans are our pro-Israel counterparts, and indeed, the average anti-German understands Marx better than the average anti-Imperialist.

Interestingly, this split has even occured in Germany's Die Linke (The Left) party, where there is a group of party members who call themselves "Shalom" and whose goal it is to fight anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism, anti-Americanism und "regressive anti-Capitalism" ("regressive anti-Capitalism" is what anti-Germans usually call traditional anti-Imperialist concepts of anti-Capitalism, especially Leninism.).

Even more interestingly, the split has even started to show itself in the radical right. There is a group that calls itself "Nationale Sozialisten für Israel" (National Socialists for Israel).
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Post 11 Jan 2009, 21:33
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American neoconservatives have a Communist past?

Trotskyite to be precise.
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Post 11 Jan 2009, 21:44
Explain, please? How did Communists get such views?
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Post 11 Jan 2009, 22:07
Many neo-conservatives were leftists who became disillusioned with the left in general. According Das Wiki, many of the Trotskyists that turned neo-cons, like Irving Kristol, were Shachtmanites, which was the right-opportunist wing of American Trotskyism from my understanding.
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Post 11 Jan 2009, 22:19
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Explain, please? How did Communists get such views?


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Post 11 Jan 2009, 22:34
OMG, that guy is the perfect example of an anti-German.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconserv ... nservatism:

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Francis also complained that the neocons never fought the left with anything more than elegant reprimand. If they saw serious criticism in return, they issued charges of anti-Semitism.


This is so typical. To an anti-German, everything is anti-Semitic: Believing in classes is anti-Semitic, because, according to them, saying that a group of people is responsible for the bad stuff that happens to the world parallels anti-Semitism (they call this "structural anti-Semitism", which is utter bullshit), denying Israel's right to exist is anti-Semitic, because, according to them, Israel, as the "revolutionary emancipation of the Jewish people" is necessary to protect Jews from anti-Semitism, opposing the US foreign policy is anti-Semitic because the USA protect Israel, etc.

Oh, and calling for the expropriation of the bourgeoisie is like calling for a second holocaust.
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Post 24 Feb 2009, 19:24
I dont think germans are anti-communists Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, where communists. There are many Nazis in DEUTSCHLAND but there are are not all so.
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Post 22 Apr 2010, 17:06
That organization seems like a disgusting imperialist tool to undermine the Left and blacken it in German public,while maintaining support for one of the longest continual genocides-Zionist endeavor to destroy/purge Palestinians.
A band of morons and traitors.Well,i guess(since it isn't an illegal party in Germany,and nazi,communist and others are) that it's just an extension of bourgeois government.
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Post 22 Apr 2010, 17:18
Meh, it's not an organization. It's like 400 individual, local antifa groups.
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Post 22 Apr 2010, 17:35
A group of people who call themselves communists and wave US and Israel's flags in their demonstrations -> fail.

I can't understand how people, even if they are roughly 500, can identify themselves with such a stupid group.
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Post 22 Apr 2010, 18:16
"Group" sounds wrong. They're more like a current. You meet a few people at a rally, some will call themselves M-Ls, others Anarchists, others anti-Germans. But it's not like they have some kind of organization or hierarchy.
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