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How is Donbass today?

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jul 2006, 04:49
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Post 11 Nov 2021, 06:26
I've noticed that there it has fallen off the radar, to the extent that there has been very little written about it since ~2015. What has happened since then other than a stalemate? What does the future hold for it? Could it have been more?
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Post 11 Nov 2021, 07:58
Basically nothing, Ukraine is a dyarchy ruled by the President and his political+business clout and the Minister of Interior and his security+business clout, so they won't do anything because the security forces have adjusted to this situation and gain from it. Plus if the political regime collapses, the security regime will preserve continuity for whoever is the next president. The LNR and DNR are basically military dictatorships, but have popular support because they exist to defend the identity of the people who live there. The rest of Eastern Ukraine/Novorossia lack any sort of "passionarity" and think that the "soft state" of Ukraine as a country that is unable to consistently enforce its laws isn't a threat to them, so they're complacent to almost any regime there or leave the country entirely.

Most of the news coming out of the region have to do either with internal Ukrainian political squabbles or the European energy crisis. So I really don't know what has to happen for a resolution. In Armenia the existing political regime collapsed and the new one started screwing with the security regime, opening the door for Azerbaijan to come in and seize Nagorno-Karabakh, I doubt something similar will happen in Ukraine, Russia or DNR/LNR in the near future.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 Jun 2011, 15:14
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Post 11 Nov 2021, 20:09
From my admitted outsider perspective , here is the latest that I have been able to find out .
October 27, 2021

MOSCOW, Oct 27 (Reuters) - The Kremlin said on Wednesday that its fears about Turkey's decision to sell strike drones to Ukraine were being realised and that the Turkish drones risked destabilising the situation in eastern Ukraine.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was commenting on the deployment by Ukrainian government forces of a Turkish-made Bayraktar TB2 drone to strike a position in eastern Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

"We have really good ties with Turkey, but in this situation our fears are unfortunately being realised that the deliveries of these types of weapons to the Ukrainian military can potentially destabilise the situation on the line of contact," Peskov told reporters.

Russia-backed separatists have been fighting government troops in Ukraine's Donbass region since 2014, soon after Russia seized the Crimea peninsula from Ukraine. Kyiv says at least 14,000 people have been killed.

Ukraine has bought sophisticated Turkish drones to boost its military and has struck a deal with Ankara to produce the same drones at a factory close to Kyiv, the capital.

The drone issue is one of several straining ties between Turkey and Russia even though the two countries enjoy close ties in other areas.

"We see that as soon as such weapons fall into the hands of the (Ukrainian) military, they can potentially be used in this (eastern) region of Ukraine, and this leads to destabilisation," Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman, said.

"This does not contribute to the settlement of this internal Ukrainian problem."

The General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces said it had deployed the drone to force pro-Russian separatists to cease fire on Tuesday.

It said the drone had destroyed an artillery unit belonging to pro-Russian separatists using a guided bomb. It said the drone had not crossed the line of contact between the two warring sides.

Ukraine gets military backing from the United States and other NATO countries.

Turkey, a NATO member, has criticised Moscow's annexation of Crimea and voiced support for Ukraine's territorial integrity.

Turkey, which faces Ukraine and Russia across the Black Sea, has nonetheless forged close ties with Moscow in the fields of defence and energy.
Russia's foreign minister accused Ukrainian leaders on Monday of trying to drag Moscow into the conflict in eastern Ukraine, following an escalation in fighting between government forces and rebels in the breakaway region.

"We observe attempts to carry out provocations, elicit some reaction from the militia and drag Russia into some kind of combat action," Sergei Lavrov told Russia's state television. Russia accused Ukraine of destabilising the situation after government forces used a Turkish-made Bayraktar TB2 drone to strike a position controlled by Russian-backed separatists last week.

Rebels supported by Moscow have been fighting government troops in Ukraine's Donbass region since 2014, soon after Russia seized and annexed the Crimea peninsula from Ukraine. Kyiv says at least 14,000 people have been killed.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Sep 2011, 13:51
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Post 21 Nov 2021, 21:49
I work online with people who live in the Donbass. They tell me that it’s been mostly quiet there for a while. They travel to Russia freely and from there freely on to Ukraine to visit their relatives.

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