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Post 06 Nov 2013, 21:57
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Gunpower, Treason & Losing the Plot at Glasgow’s #MillionMaskMarch

November 6, 2013 · by Leon Trollsky · Bookmark the permalink. ·

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So a couple of weeks back it was brought to my attention that there was going to be a revolution™ in Glasgow last night. And not just here, but every city in the world! However as I live in Glasgow I decided this was as good as any other place to casually observe the global revolution unfold, so George Square it would have to be. Especially as I had other things to do on Tuesday like um, going to court and watching fireworks. frag the Government! Sorry, I mean frag anything unfair!


Rest of the article: http://athousandflowers.net/2013/11/06/ ... maskmarch/

This article overemphasises the feminist angle in my view. I guess it's just a thing about Anglo-American activism, where gender issues are apparently framed as "feminazis vs MRAs" all the time.

However, I think it's important to criticise this whole Guy Fawkes-mask bullshit, which is basically the tragic history of Occupy repeated as farce. Exceptional circumstances aside, revolutionaries don't wear masks.
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Post 06 Nov 2013, 22:12
People all too easily conflate the concept of Anonymous as in messageboard use and some kind of political entity. I am Anonymous at my imageboard of choice, and it is by no means a political entity by any stretch of the imagination. Anonymous is just people like me who make off-colour jokes, remark on news stories, get into arguments over music, technology, cooking techniques and whatever else under the sun under the guise of anonymity, but we/I aren't some kind of omnipresent force. Anyway, if you follow a thread properly, you'll know exactly with whom you're talking so the veil of anonymity goes out of the window. As a member of this Anonymous (the proper one, not this shitty ultra-left bullshit) community, there are just as many misogynists, racists, xenophobes and other bigots as there are even moderate centrists or far-leftists. Go on Krautchan, go to Britfa.gs and this will become abundantly clear.

This is just a really shit appropriation of an image from a film (people clamour to retrospectively say they prefer the graphic novel
) that's actually pretty crap and pretty much teaches nothing about activism or politicking, let alone how to run a damn society!

Edit: Style over substance.
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Post 06 Nov 2013, 23:14
No 14 wrote:
However, I think it's important to criticise this whole Guy Fawkes-mask bullshit, which is basically the tragic history of Occupy repeated as farce. Exceptional circumstances aside, revolutionaries don't wear masks.

Anarchists frequently have historically, most famously Subcomandante Marcos of the Zapatistas. Using Guy Fawkes masks is mockable if you're just looking for something to make fun of, but most Americans get the symbolism of it. At least, as it relates to their main source of reference for it (V for Vendetta). They might not know that V was portrayed much more ambiguously in the graphic novel, but then he's also an actual revolutionary leftist (Goldmanite) rather than just generically not a BNP member.

The main purposes of the mask are twofold. First, it symbolizes unity and is an image anyone can project themself onto; behind that mask it could be anyone. The use of it mainly comes from what's (in my opinion) V for Vendetta's most moving scene, where everyone who felt remotely unrepresented by Norsefire took up the mask as a symbol. Secondly, it's for anonymity. If a protestor can't be identified, they don't face nearly as many risks to their personal life or employment prospects. This lets them go farther than they'd otherwise be willing to. Marcos' identity is still unknown (the Mexican government just has an okay guess), for example.

Erichs_Pastry_Chef wrote:
This is just a really shit appropriation of an image from a film (people clamour to retrospectively say they prefer the graphic novel
) that's actually pretty crap and pretty much teaches nothing about activism or politicking, let alone how to run a damn society!

As far as it has a political goal, like most art, the movie is really more intended to inspire and produce an emotional pull than to teach any specifics. It was unfortunately skewed in a specifically anti-Bush direction, but it speaks to a basic idea that the masses can act against an unrepresentative government and parallels examples where our own states do have pretty unrepresentative tendencies.
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Post 10 Nov 2013, 05:35
V for vendetta's strategy is propaganda of the deed. But it's a nice film.
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