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How should developing countries crack down on corruption?

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Aug 2008, 18:12
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Post 17 Apr 2012, 22:07
I know corruption exists all over the world including industrialised and developed countries, but it is quite obvious that it is at its most rampant in developing countries and is a serious hindrance to their development?

I therefore ask, how should they crack down on it? Anti-corruption drives are themselves often bribed or threatened. Corruption just seems to be a way of life in some countries.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 01 Nov 2003, 13:17
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Post 17 Apr 2012, 23:34
It is very difficult to fight corruption once it has become institutionalised and where it permeates every level of society. There is in truth very little which can be done because fighting corruption is a one man job. Firstly there must be the political will at the highest level. It is all very well for politicians to say that they seek to tackle corruption but often these people are equally corrupt. If the government, military and other state arms can be purged of corruption at the highest levels then moves can be made slowly downwards to eliminate it at the lower levels and in the wider society. Severe penalties can be introduced for corrupt practices, anti-corruption campaigns can be introduced and certain people can be made examples of through widely publicised trials of those discovered to be corrupt.

These are only my ideas.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jul 2006, 04:49
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Post 17 Apr 2012, 23:49
What about a completely anonymous website where people can report corruption?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Jun 2011, 08:37
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Post 18 Apr 2012, 06:07
scandinavian countries tend to rank low on corruption, so I'd suggest promoting cultural cohesion, civic responsibility and strive for as much transparency as possible
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2004, 02:08
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Post 20 Apr 2012, 08:30
Misuzu wrote:
What about a completely anonymous website where people can report corruption?

There is an indian version of this actually which has worked to a certain extent.
The only REAL way corruption can be combatted on common every day levels in developing country is through the proper development of capitalism and correct wage increases that prevent the *need* for every day officials to prompt for bribes. However greed will always be a problem in any state structure, and even if they have what they want, there will always be a few who abuse the needs of others.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Apr 2012, 03:27
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Post 24 Apr 2012, 02:11
Misuzu wrote:
What about a completely anonymous website where people can report corruption?


This has to some extent, worked in China as well.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Nov 2005, 17:55
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Post 26 Apr 2012, 05:12
Posting people's wages/salaries publicly.

Corruption is primarily a function of greed, but when your income is visible and transparent to all, no rational person would ever collect more than he deserves as he is inherently "being watched" by the public.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Jul 2011, 15:17
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Post 26 Apr 2012, 19:27
None of these suggestions make any sense. If you KNOW about the corruption, you are being paid off, and therefore benefitting from the existence of corruption. You have no motive to end it. Therefore, a website would be rather useless. I also suspect there would be a lot of false accusations resulting from personal squabbles and bitterness.

As for posting salaries publicly, most corruption is 'under the table.' Allocating state money to a 'charity' (that doesn't really exist) that your friend runs, etc.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Mar 2010, 01:20
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Post 27 Apr 2012, 02:52
khlib wrote:
As for posting salaries publicly, most corruption is 'under the table.' Allocating state money to a 'charity' (that doesn't really exist) that your friend runs, etc.
I might have misunderstood the suggestion, but to me the point would be that if someone "officially" earns a certain income but they have a lifestyle which requires a significantly higher income then there is a reasonable chance that they are taking in extra money somewhere. It doesn't mean corruption, but it might merit a closer look.
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I also suspect there would be a lot of false accusations resulting from personal squabbles and bitterness.
Accusations of corruption wouldn't automatically mean anything ... they would just mean a quick check on the relevant person. Certainly there would be some time wasters, but if it means resolving corruption it sounds worthwhile in the long run.
The loss, wastage and damage done to developing countries by corruption probably amounts to much more than the budget of a smallish investigating team who are employed to check such things.
It's a bloody tricky business though.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 27 Apr 2012, 03:08
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If you KNOW about the corruption, you are being paid off, and therefore benefitting from the existence of corruption.


Either that or you're a victim of corruption. Duh.

Personally I think that corruption is inevitable in any hierarchy. Therefore a state that cracks down on corruption is by definition only fighting symptoms. In order to avoid corruption, you have to avoid the root cause, which is hierarchies.
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Post 08 May 2012, 01:24
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If you KNOW about the corruption, you are being paid off, and therefore benefitting from the existence of corruption.

Yeah because word doesnt spread AT ALL within a community if corruption takes place over any period of time, ever. Seriously equating knowledge of corruption to benefiting from corruption?
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Therefore, a website would be rather useless. I also suspect there would be a lot of false accusations resulting from personal squabbles and bitterness.

http://ipaidabribe.com/ yeah man, IPAB is a quick example of a successful website that has worked in shaming local officials in doing their job. In regards to false accusations regarding corruption: Open the books, keep them open, problem solved.
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As for posting salaries publicly, most corruption is 'under the table.' Allocating state money to a 'charity' (that doesn't really exist) that your friend runs, etc.

And again tax is the ultimate downfall to so many who avoid or dance around it. It will ALWAYS catch up with enough investigation.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Jul 2007, 06:59
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Post 17 May 2012, 14:24
I think corruption is a symptom of a flaw in a given production process.

In capitalism, most of the time it's that certain processes are deemed to be outside the market, they're restricted by the government (you can't buy a doctor's degree, for example).

Capitalism has the tendency in include everything in the market, to take down all barriers in this regard. Restrictions will always face opposition. Deregulation means the caving of a section to corruption and the market and therefore, the advance to a new level.

This is an unsolvable problem. You can take steps towards controling it, decreasing it, but it won't ever go away, unless you give everything to the market, which is fantasy talk.

(keep in mind that even free trade is a restricted system, in that you cannot freely buy thugs or cops to put competitors out of business; there will always be a non-market area where capitalism will try to intrude via corruption)

In socialism, it too can be the flaw in a production process. If something isn't working as it should, if there's a shortage or if there's a restriction towards something that is a social need, then corruption will appear, as individuals will exploit these flaws for personal gain.

Here, corruption is solved by solving these issues, which are unending too, but which will lead us to improve and update the satisfaction of needs.

Of course, open communication is a key, the democratization of the media (putting them in the hands of the people) is a crucial requirement.
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