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Minimum demands to consider a society socialist?

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Jun 2011, 08:37
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Post 11 Apr 2012, 04:21
Ive been thinking lately about different socialist models, and it occured to me:

What are the baseline requirements to consider a society or culture socialist, in your opinion?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Jun 2006, 15:59
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Post 11 Apr 2012, 12:45
The dominant form of productive relation is one in which the means of production are the social property of the workers and under their democratic control.
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Post 11 Apr 2012, 12:57
Icecream for everybody.
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Post 11 Apr 2012, 16:24
Trent, you're incredibly annoying. gtfo.

@t, no bourgeoisie.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 11 Apr 2012, 17:00
Full and total equality before the law for all.
Full employment, or near enough, jobs for all those who want to work.
Cheap and readily available food, clothing, housing and energy.
Squatters' rights.
A free press.
Gradual abolition of drug laws.
Free education and healthcare, cheaper books.
Comprehensive, well paying pension from the age of 60 onwards.
Free museums, art galleries - free and integrated mobile and normal libraries.
Free midday meals provided at your place of work, education, hospital etc.
Emphasis on the power and role of trade unions in agreeing to projects, plans, targets.
Emphasis on the role of the plan phasing out as much human labour as possible.
Complete separation of church and state, this includes in school.
Total separation of money and politics.
Superb public transport that is extremely cheap to use and consists of very well integrated rail, bus, ferry and air nodes. A move away from private car ownership.
A constitution that doesn't enshrine the current separation of judicial, executive and legislative, this serves in many cases to obfuscate and alienate those unfortunate to come into contact with them, they also slow procedure down to a crawl.
Reduction in size of the military.
Integrated global trade/goods transfer.
Me being top dog.

I could add more and more to the list. Most of these are anathema to the bourgeoisie existing at all anyway.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2012, 16:12
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Post 11 Apr 2012, 23:57
1. Class rule: The toiling masses (especially the proletariat) must be top dog.
2. Socialist relations of production must be dominant: Workers' Cooperatives and industries owned by the whole people should have the lion's share of the economy, especially on its critical sectors.
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Post 11 Apr 2012, 23:58
Mabool wrote:
Trent, you're incredibly annoying. gtfo.

@t, no bourgeoisie.

What do you expect me to say?
A long winded list of demands we all know or could cherry pick and argue over incessantly with no ground really covered?
-everyone gets ice cream.
-the state provides for those who work.
-the state banishes social leeches who are too busy getting high to work.


There's three to the list because EPC covered a bunch. Do you not like ice cream? Or do you not like to work?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Sep 2006, 22:05
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Post 12 Apr 2012, 00:03
So long as I can get high and work I'm down.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 12 Apr 2012, 08:26
I would suggest not operating manual machinery at all then. You could have a job behind an overly sized oak desk, busts of Lenin and Stalin come as standard.

I would also suggest an energy policy that was nuclear. Up to now, nuclear power has not been technologically designed, but only designed as a political instrument for a state to wave its dick at another one across the world. In all fairness, owing to the dangers involved, I am surprised that we are now on third generation generators, rather than just on a solid first model. Engineers and their lackeys are currently bound to using poorer quality materials that would not and do not stand the test of time and need far too much maintenance, whereas scientists and their researcher stooges are bound to producing the "technology of the future™" which engineers have absolutely no hope of ever being able to design efficiently. Remove a profit motive from research investments - a nuclear meltdown is one of the worst things to ever befall mankind, also something that could be completely avoided with technologically sound solutions, to hell with profits.
Therefore, on top of a million times more rigorous nuclear research programme, I suggest a shift towards more consumer durables and infrastructure to be equally designed and planned on the pure perspective of trained architects and engineers.

Edit:
I would also like to add that the notion of the "proletarian ownership of the means of production" is a hollow phrase, remembered from when you're 14 and not an actual, tangible quality of a society that anybody can immediately understand. Of course I do stand for it, but it needs explanation and actually not just replying to this set question with the most lifeless, passionless reply possible, namely: "proletarian ownership of the means of production."
It's a chance to use your heads, not repeat a slogan like a mantra.
This is a provocation, by the way.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Feb 2005, 02:51
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Post 13 Apr 2012, 09:22
Erichs_Pastry_Chef wrote:
I would also like to add that the notion of the "proletarian ownership of the means of production" is a hollow phrase, remembered from when you're 14 and not an actual, tangible quality of a society that anybody can immediately understand. Of course I do stand for it, but it needs explanation and actually not just replying to this set question with the most lifeless, passionless reply possible, namely: "proletarian ownership of the means of production."
It's a chance to use your heads, not repeat a slogan like a mantra.
This is a provocation, by the way.

I endorse the candidacy of this man.
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