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Trotsky - Freemason and Illuminati agent

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Jun 2005, 18:01
Komsomol
Post 31 Aug 2006, 15:22
Thank god this agent of imperialism was killed.

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It was during that period that I became interested in freemasonry. ... In the eighteenth century freemasonry became expressive of a militant policy of enlightenment, as in the case of the Illuminati, who were the forerunners of the revolution; on its left it culminated in the Carbonari. Freemasons counted among their members both Louis XVI and the Dr. Guillotin who invented the guillotine. In southern Germany freemasonry assumed an openly revolutionary character, whereas at the court of Catherine the Great it was a masquerade reflecting the {pbk p. 125} aristocratic and bureaucratic hierarchy. A freemason Novikov was exiled to Siberia by a freemason Empress. ... {hbk p. 108, pbk p. 126} I discontinued my work on freemasonry to take up the study of Marxian economics. ... The work on freemasonry acted as a sort of test for these hypotheses. ... I think this influenced the whole course of my intellectual develovpment.
pp. 107-127
-My Life: The Rise and Fall of a Dictator, Thornton Butterworth Limited, London 1930
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 15:54
- Freemasonry was banned in the USSR for being subversive, terroristic and bourgeois. If I remember correctly, it was during Lenin's era.
- Trotsky was financed by a Freemason banker named Jacob Schiff to a tune of around 20 million US dollars.
- Trotsky called Stalin a greater threat to the proletariat than Hitler.
- Trotsky supported Ukranian nationalism and independance during the 1930s (the only time he supported nationalism was against the USSR!
), so the Nazis could be at the gates of the Soviet Union!
- Trotsky wanted to ride back to power as dictator with Nazi tanks.

This is why Stalin was completely justified in murdering this rotten scoundrel.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 03 Jul 2004, 16:52
Komsomol
Post 31 Aug 2006, 17:02
Ruler vs. potential ruler that never got to be a ruler because the ruler killed him. Who cares?

You live in the past. You praise rulers. Why?

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- Freemasonry was banned in the USSR for being subversive, terroristic and bourgeois. If I remember correctly, it was during Lenin's era.


Interestingly enough the fascists also hated freemasons.
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 17:16
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Ruler vs. potential ruler that never got to be a ruler because the ruler killed him. Who cares?

You live in the past. You praise rulers. Why?


Are you some sort of anarchist?

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Interestingly enough the fascists also hated freemasons.


With good reasons I am sure.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Nov 2005, 14:57
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 17:27
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It was during that period that I became interested in freemasonry. ...
Becoming interested in something is different than being an agent for something.

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- Trotsky was financed by a Freemason banker named Jacob Schiff to a tune of around 20 million US dollars.

The money was addressed to the Soviet goverment, including Trotsky and Lenin, not to Trotsky personally (atleast according to some shady christian sites, where these consipirasy theories seem to develop). And besides, it was during the Civil War. If some cappie decides to give you free money, shouldn't you take it?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Jun 2005, 23:41
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 18:13
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Illuminati agent


Stopped reading there.
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 18:18
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- Freemasonry was banned in the USSR for being subversive, terroristic and bourgeois. If I remember correctly, it was during Lenin's era.
- Trotsky was financed by a Freemason banker named Jacob Schiff to a tune of around 20 million US dollars.
- Trotsky called Stalin a greater threat to the proletariat than Hitler.
- Trotsky supported Ukranian nationalism and independance during the 1930s (the only time he supported nationalism was against the USSR! Angry), so the Nazis could be at the gates of the Soviet Union!
- Trotsky wanted to ride back to power as dictator with Nazi tanks.

This is why Stalin was completely justified in murdering this rotten scoundrel.

DONT YOU DARE INSULT THE FREEMASONRY WITH THIS REACTIONARY CONSPIRACY DRIBBLE YOU BASTARD!

The Facists hate Freemasons because they are about unity as men regardless of skin colour or religon. Its the same reason the Church is against them.

The Jews dont control the world
The Masons dont control the world
THERE IS NO ILLUMINATI!
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 18:22
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Becoming interested in something is different than being an agent for something.


Freemasonry is a secret society and one can only be allowed to enter it by being invited by a member. How could one be interested in secret information that one would not know of, unless a member of that secret fraternity.

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The money was addressed to the Soviet goverment, including Trotsky and Lenin, not to Trotsky personally


Not true. Trotsky was bankrolled by Freemason money throughout his stay in New York and elsewhere. He was financed by this money during his exile, also.

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If some cappie decides to give you free money, shouldn't you take it?


I don't see a problem of robbing a stupid capitalist. However Trotsky was obviously a double-agent working against the Soviet Union, or the so-called "Stalinist leadership", and his followers have forever been anti-communists working side-by-side with fascists and others.
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 18:25
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DONT YOU DARE INSULT THE FREEMASONRY WITH THIS REACTIONARY CONSPIRACY DRIBBLE YOU BASTARD!


Grow up, you Masonic tard.

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The Facists hate Freemasons because they are about unity as men regardless of skin colour or religon. Its the same reason the Church is against them.





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THERE IS NO ILLUMINATI!


False. The Illuminati has existed for centuries - this is historical fact, that only an ignorant idiot can deny. Trotsky, the enemy, acknowledges this in the quote I posted above.
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 18:27
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Freemasonry is a secret society and one can only be allowed to enter it by being invited by a member. How could one be interested in secret information that one would not know of, unless a member of that secret fraternity.

1) Your wrong
2) in my case, I simply asked the secretary if I was elgible.
The only thing secret about the Masons these days is the fragging handshake. You dont need to be invited in, all you need to do is seek 'enlightenment to be a better man' and so far I have.
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False. The Illuminati has existed for centuries - this is historical fact, that only an ignorant idiot can deny. Trotsky, the enemy, acknowledges this in the quote I posted above.
Quoting Trotsky someone you hate? One, where is that credible, two what the hell?
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 18:29
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1) Your wrong


No-uh, no you!

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in my case, I simply asked the secretary if I was elgible.


I'm from the home of Freemasonry and know many Freemasons. You have to be invited by a male family member.

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so far I have


So you are a Mason?

You are lying rat. You can not be a Mason and a Communist or even a Socialist.
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 18:35
yeah, ok
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 18:45
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If you get a Communist government taking over, the shutters come down immediately and Freemasonry is finished. They will not tolerate Freemasonry at all.


From a freemason's own mouth.
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 18:54
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Thank god this agent of imperialism was killed


I find it funny that you made this statement.

I thought Maoists were intended to be atheistic?

why thank a god figuratively or not?
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 18:57
It is a figure of speech. Please will you stay on topic?
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 18:59
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 19:00
Holt should post his pssing contest picture right about now...
-With solidarity, FC

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Post 31 Aug 2006, 19:01
That is a coincidence. Either way, that flag was adopted in 1959.
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 19:02
i fail to see how freemasons are a danger to us, they are more like an ally against opus dei if you ask me. p2 is entierly diffirent story though (murderers and fascists)
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Jun 2005, 18:01
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Post 31 Aug 2006, 19:04
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i fail to see how freemasons are a danger to us


They are a bourgeois cult. Many Presidents and Prime Ministers, judges and lawyers, etc. are fellows in Freemasonry.

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they are more like an ally against opus dei if you ask me.


Does Opus Dei even exist anymore? Anyway, the Papacy has virtually no power anymore.

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p2 is entierly diffirent story though (murderers and fascists)


What is p2?
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