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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Feb 2004, 01:55
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Post 02 Mar 2004, 05:29
Hey Mr. PoD...Don't toss around the term "heathen" so frivolously, lets not forget you have yet to decide on a religion but choose to bash everyone elses.

and I really resent that e-mail you sent me. After all the times you've disrespected my faith what would ever compel me to help you? That is if you were even telling the truth it, which I doubt you were.

Nothing pure has ever come out of hatred. That is why I have no respect for you. I just pity you.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Feb 2004, 00:07
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Post 02 Mar 2004, 07:51
Krasniy_Volk wrote:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Atheist-commented bible and quran. Have a peek at it


actually I have I had more than one look at it, and well let's say that people know to comment a text as well as I know about exobiology
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Feb 2004, 21:43
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Post 02 Mar 2004, 09:53
Blah blha lba
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Baptised in blood, I fear no death. Life is weakness, pain is release. The abyss is eternal, my existence infernal.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 23 Feb 2004, 22:46
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Post 02 Mar 2004, 09:59
Communism and Religion--Part 2: Christianity
Early Christian Communalism and Real Communism

by Bob Avakian

Revolutionary Worker #912, June 22, 1997 http://rwor.org/

As a way of illustrating some of the basic points of dialectical materialism, but also as a way of examining important aspects of religion and particularly Christianity, we can examine what has been described as the "communism" of the early Christians. In "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific," Engels draws a certain analogy between the sort of utopian communalism of some of the early Christian communities and the modern-day communist movement, the scientific communist movement representing the proletariat in this era and its world historic transformation of society. Engels noted both certain similarities and certain contrasts. And it is worthwhile getting into this a little deeper.

Today, from a different standpoint, in trying to show how the Bible is the basis for fighting oppression and acting on behalf of the poor as well as overcoming war and other evils in human society, certain "liberation theology" advocates will quote things, for example, from the book of "Acts" in the New Testament of the Christian Bible. In fact, in the book of "Acts" you actually find the phrase "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"--it is actually right in this book in the New Testament. And "Acts" describes how the early Christian community practiced this communal sharing, before Christianity became institutionalized and elevated to the level of the official religion of the Roman Empire--before the Christian religion not only became an official religion, but also before the various different sects and trends within Christianity developed and engaged in rivalry with each other and mutual slaughter over such things as trying to define the nature of the Trinity (which they all have found impossible). In any case, back in the early Christian communities, as described in the book of "Acts," when people joined this community they would bring whatever wealth they had individually acquired and they would put it into the common holding and then it would be distributed according to the needs of different individuals in that community.

So, on the one hand, you had this method of distribution which was in a certain sense "communal" or "communistic," you might say. At the same time, if you look into it further, you see that in the letters (the epistles) of Paul in the Bible (and this is something often pointed to by the "liberation theologists"), there are statements to this effect: In the Christian community there are no masters and slaves, there are no men or women, and so on--in other words there are only Christians.

But this didn't mean that people will no longer be slaves and other people will no longer be masters. It simply meant that all these people, be they master or slave, man or woman, were equal--equal from the standpoint of the Christian religion--that is, they all had an equal chance to go to heaven and find equality in another world. And Paul in his letters is very specific in telling slaves to be obedient to their masters--even masters who are harsh and cruel towards them. It was not in this world--and it was not by resisting, overthrowing, or even running away from, conditions of enslavement in this world--that the slaves would find emancipation, or salvation. That would happen only after they left this world--supposedly for some other ideal world with god, in heaven. The "communalism," or "communistic distribution," of these early Christians was founded upon very unequal social relations and ultimately was founded in an exploitative production system in which these Christians were enmeshed as part of the larger society, whether they were in Rome or other parts of the world where Christianity first spread, largely in what is often called the Middle East and North Africa today... continue this article @
http://rwor.org/a/v19/910-19/912/barel2.htm
Comrade Andrei Mazenov
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 23 Feb 2004, 02:21
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Post 08 Mar 2004, 19:00
While I'm very much an atheist.

I have no problems with my religious comrades.
“Bourgeois-Nationalism and Proletarian-Internationalism are two implacably opposed slogans...”
- Vladimir Illyich Ulyanov (LENIN)
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