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A Leninist Hero of our Times

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Loz
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Post 13 Jun 2010, 22:18
I'm reposting a story chaz171 mentioned in some old thread.
A Leninist Hero of our Times - http://www.marxist.com/History-old/realredoctober900.html

"On 7 November 1975, Captain 3rd Rank Valery Sablin seized the Storozhevoy, a Soviet Burevestnik Class missile frigate, and confined the ship's captain and other officers to the wardroom. Sablin's plan was to take the ship from the Gulf of Riga north into the Gulf of Finland and to Leningrad, from where he would, by radio and television, recount the sins and hypocrisy of the Soviet system and demand reforms (Sablin was a strong believer in Leninist values and considered the Soviet system to essentially have "sold out"). However a junior officer escaped from confinement and radioed for assistance. When the Storozhevoy cleared the mouth of the Gulf of Riga, she did so with 10 bomber and reconnaissance airplanes and nine warships in pursuit. Sablin surrendered after several bombs were dropped in front and behind the ship.

He was arrested and, in May 1976, tried before a military court. Sablin was found guilty of "treason to the Motherland." Although this crime usually carried a 15-year prison sentence, he was executed on 3 August 1976. His second in command during the mutiny, Alexander Shein, received an eight-year prison sentence. All of the other mutineers were freed.

In 1994, the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court reviewed the sentences with a possibility of Posthumous rehabilitation. The court partially rehabilitated Sablin rather than fully exonorating him and his comrade Seaman Shein (who had by that time served his sentence)."

What do you think about his rebellion?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44
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Post 13 Jun 2010, 22:39
He wasn't a hero, he was an idiot. The only thing he would have succeeded in doing if his broadcast had been made was embarrassing the Soviet leadership. You don't give the enemy moral support in order to force your own side to enact "reforms" of your choosing.

Final verdict: Guilty of treason. Execution justified. As for the rest of the "mutineers", most were simply impressionable young men caught up in circumstances beyond their control, so no need to make martyrs of them in the western media.
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Post 13 Jun 2010, 23:17
Treason of the Motherland -> execution.

A rebellion is certainly the wrong way to change stuff in a socialist country.
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Post 13 Jun 2010, 23:24
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A rebellion is certainly the wrong way to change stuff in a socialist country

Yeah.He should have written a letter to his city Soviet and get a disciplinary punishment.
Or even better,write to the Supreme Soviet and get fired.
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Post 13 Jun 2010, 23:25
Or join the party, be a good party member, rise up to higher ranks and effect changes.
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Post 13 Jun 2010, 23:28
Yeah.
It would only take like 10 years.
He would have become a people's deputee by Gorby's time if he behaved well enough
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Not to mention the corruption inside the party that would prevent this "new-revolution".
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Post 13 Jun 2010, 23:49
onelineonebullet

Final warning. FC.
Last edited by Fellow Comrade on 14 Jun 2010, 01:49, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: :lol: That certainly worked for Beria and Khrushchev didn't it
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Post 13 Jun 2010, 23:55
And Gorby.
It's a shame that sucker didn't get shot somewhere in Siberia.
And that proves that KPSS was already corrupted and reactionary by 1985.
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Post 14 Jun 2010, 02:06
Maybe so, but what was this one young idiot going to do to change that? Commandeering a single ship and using it to broadcast accusations that could easily be picked up by the West and used to make mountains of anti-Soviet propaganda--what good would that achieve?

It's a damned good thing this young fool was detected and executed when he was. An older, wiser gent with this mentality would probably have become a terrorist in the Yeltsin era.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2009, 03:41
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Post 14 Jun 2010, 08:18
i dont think he should be executed. he didn't commit treason he wanted to speak out against his own country. not cooperate with other country to overthrow the government.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Sep 2009, 00:56
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Post 14 Jun 2010, 09:10
I think the fact that this man felt he had to resort to rebellion is more telling than his act of rebellion itself. That good old freedom of criticism, or rather the lack of it, that bit the Soviet Union in the arse on more than one occasion.
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Post 14 Jun 2010, 09:53
Jingle_Bombs wrote:
I think the fact that this man felt he had to resort to rebellion is more telling than his act of rebellion itself. That good old freedom of criticism, or rather the lack of it, that bit the Soviet Union in the arse on more than one occasion.


This is true. I can't see why someone is comitting treason just because he wants to improve his country.
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Post 14 Jun 2010, 14:37
You want to improve your country, so you hijack one of its ships, endangering the lives of all aboard, and plan an accusatory broadcast that will most certainly be picked up by Western states, who will have a propaganda field day with it?

I can't recommend execution fast enough.
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Post 14 Jun 2010, 17:21
Order,i can't believe you can be so cruel to a a revolutionary who gave his life for a noble idea,but was that unlucky to live in counterrevolutionary times.
It's not sure that his transmission would be picked by the West-he could have used some military/civil defense bands.
But the real problem,as others mentioned,it the fact that KPSS was already degenerating from the worker's avangarde revolutionary party-into a giant rotten "social club" for getting privileged food and housing,something that doesn't have much do to with workers anymore.That's what bothers me.
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Post 14 Jun 2010, 18:17
Who cares what the west will do about it? They'll make propaganda anyway, and the USSR knew it. But they didn't care if they did, and neither did sablin. So why does it matter?
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Post 14 Jun 2010, 18:21
Loz, not everybody who attempts a rebellion is a revolutionary. That guy was just a criminal.


A revolution is class war. Did this guy lead a class war? Definitely not. He was just a soldier.
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Post 14 Jun 2010, 18:50
You're being dogmatic mabool. This guy rebelled against a corrupt, bureaucratic system that's no better then social democracy as for as workers are concerned.
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Post 14 Jun 2010, 19:16
The world's one and only truly Bolshevik state was no better than Social Democracy?

You guys are getting seriously revisionist here. As for degeneration, I'm sure there's some truth to this. But a full scale military rebellion never seemed to be in the cards, since the leading military officers were either too comfortably corrupt, or too easily satisfied by socialist conditions. Which was it?
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Post 14 Jun 2010, 19:18
Conscript, do you really believe this, or are you being sarcastic? Because I don't want to spend ten minutes thoroughly deconstructing that bullshit if you're just joking.

Also, Order227, Cuba and the GDR both were more socialist than the USSR in 1975.
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Post 14 Jun 2010, 19:28
Seriously, it's very good how hard do you defend the USSR. Yeah, kudos for you. But this guy had the balls to protest against something he deemed to be detrimental to the Soviet people the only way he could, even though he knew that it would likely result in his execution. He wasn't a reactionary who intended to start the counter revolution, but a communist who tried all he could to changes things that certainly weren't working as they should.

Was he a criminal? Oh yes. And? He could have defended the corrupted system endorsed by the CPSU, so he'd have been fine. He certainly has my respect.
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