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Post 12 Jul 2013, 07:40
I dont understand this, I get so many mixed messages on Ba'athism and its followers like the Bashar family and Saddam Hussein. Are they socialist?
Loz
Post 12 Jul 2013, 14:32
No, not at all. Baathism was/is a progressive all-Arab nationalist movement.
Post 12 Jul 2013, 19:38
Loz has it pegged. In this age of near-total labor marginalization even nationalism has taken on a new ability to be progressive again.

It should be noted fhat Ba'athism differs quite a lot from nation to nation. In Iraq for instance it went to war against Iran and killed communists en masse (basically working for America from the start). Versus Syria where communists and nationalists generally worked together and are strong allies of Iran.
Post 12 Jul 2013, 21:18
Dagoth Ur wrote:
Loz has it pegged. In this age of near-total labor marginalization even nationalism has taken on a new ability to be progressive again.

It should be noted fhat Ba'athism differs quite a lot from nation to nation. In Iraq for instance it went to war against Iran and killed communists en masse (basically working for America from the start). Versus Syria where communists and nationalists generally worked together and are strong allies of Iran.


See thats what confused me. In Iraq, the Ba'athist party targeted and killed communist. So I automatically figured that the Ba'athist party in Syria would be doing the same. Well, I guess I'll reform my attitude toward the Syrian government.
Post 13 Jul 2013, 05:37
The Communists in Syria have supported Assad for decades as members of his government. It's been known for a long time that in Syria the options are Ba'athism or Saudi Wahabbism.
Post 13 Jul 2013, 06:28
Dagoth Ur wrote:
The Communists in Syria have supported Assad for decades as members of his government. It's been known for a long time that in Syria the options are Ba'athism or Saudi Wahabbism.


Saudi Wahabbism? Please explain to me.
Post 13 Jul 2013, 09:54
Ba'athism has left and right tendencies, hence the possibilities for both cooperation and hostility toward communists. It can be said that the Iraqi Ba'ath was dominated by a left tendency until Saddam Hussein came to power and began turning the country into a right-wing, kleptocratic fiefdom. It was during this time that the Soviets began supporting the Kurds. In Syria, personalist dictatorship and right tendencies never won out, hence the warm relations with the local communist parties (and with the USSR, while it was around). The contemporary alliance with Iran is a strategic rather than an ideational one.

Dagoth, the progressive nature of pan-Arabist nationalist sentiment lies in its antagonism toward radical Islam, monarchy, and Western imperialism. In its Middle Eastern context it's been the predominant progressive choice since Nasser's time.
Post 07 Aug 2013, 07:23
Eire wrote:
Saudi Wahabbism? Please explain to me.

He's refrencing to the Islamic fundamentalists that are supported by the Saudi Regime, that are fighting against the Ba'athist government in Syria.
Post 07 Mar 2018, 01:45
Ba'athism is a part of arab nationalist ideology. It promotes secularism and the creation of a unified Arab state. It is progressive from the view that is in contrast with Islamic fundamentalism. But i dont think so that is based in left/socialist economic ideas. Any socialism references are about unity or all tribes and casts in an arab nation
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