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Post 29 Aug 2009, 00:38
Red_Son wrote:
What makes these other parties any more effective than the CPUSA? And these claims that we "tail" the democrats is utter nonsense, has anyone here even read the party program?


Supporting one section of the bourgeois to fight off a worse section of the bourgeois?

In 1912 Eugene Debs wrote:
They [Republicans and Democrats] are opposed to each other on no question of principle but purely in a content for the spoils of office.


Democrats are better than Republicans on some issues, support the Dems when the issues arrive (i.e. single payer healthcare). Don't drop out of politics and say vote for the Democrats. The CPUSA is playing on the terms set by the bourgeois, we don't have a chance facing the bourgeois on their terms. Uses elections as an educational tool. Run candidates, not to win, but to educate the population about socialism.

"Ultra right" is great name in trying to portray the Republicans as wanna be fascists and nazis. People on stormfront (i.e. nazis and fascists) are the most reactionary people of society. That is when we call for a united front because we'd be rounded up first to go to death camps. I don't recall in recent history (post 1989) the last time a Republican Congress person wanted to start death camps for commies.

Red_Son wrote:
Sit and watch Glenn Beck, listen to Rush Limbaugh, and Mike Huckabee, hear what Sean Hannity is saying. That is the danger we face. They have gone insane since the '08 defeat and they represent a danger that is all to real. To defeat them we need this kind of thinking,


Conservative Republicans? They're just using scare tactics and looking at the healthcare protestors with people holding up Obama pics with a swastica on his face probably means Republicans =/= nazis. because guess what, eventually the Republicans will get back Congress and the Executive branch. Than the Dems will get back in power, ect. ect. ect. The CPUSA is pursuing of strategy that doesn't work.

heiss93 wrote:
This whole "crisis" is over newspapers and a website. There hasn't been any major changes. A lot of hoo-ha over nothing. Reports of the CPUSA's demise are greatly exaggerated.


The CPUSA isn't gonna go out with a bang. It's been slowly and it will always be lingering around and have a website like the IWW. Recent events are just more nails on the coffin.
Post 29 Aug 2009, 03:07
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Supporting one section of the bourgeois to fight off a worse section of the bourgeois?

It's politically practical. The US had no love of China, but they found China to be slightly more to their liking than the Soviet Union, so they were able to exploit the Sino-Soviet split to their liking to help bring about the east-bloc's collapse. Simply speaking, it works.
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Democrats are better than Republicans on some issues, support the Dems when the issues arrive (i.e. single payer healthcare). Don't drop out of politics and say vote for the Democrats.

1.)The CPUSA has not dropped out of politics. This country has historically been opposed to anti-capitalism (not even communism) and did not go through all the stages of development others did, resulting in a different level of class consciousness. Hell, just getting on the ballot is tougher than most people realize. The CPUSA simply sees tentative backing of the Dems as a necessary coalitionist initiative.

2.)The CPUSA has opposed the Democrats on various issues but excessive criticism of them gets us nowhere. Our party's faq said it best...
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While we work to help build the base for a major third party, we also feel that the route to success is not through making Democrats, however limited or regressive their policies, the main target of independent candidates, as Ralph Nader did in the 2000 elections.

By directing most of his criticism at Al Gore rather than at the even more reactionary George W. Bush, and claiming that there were no real differences between the Republicans and Democrats, Nader added confusion, rather than clarity.

Building a mass base for the third party movement requires winning those millions who still have illusions about the Democratic Party, especially on the national level, not attacking these potential allies in the battles against the ultra-right.
Post 08 Sep 2009, 07:33
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The PSL and WWP split over the control of ANSWER and the direction of the anti-war movement. PSL is also mainly West Coast and WWP mainly East Coast.


The PSL is quite active on the East Coast. I think the entire DC branch of WWP went to PSL. They're also pretty active at least in NYC and Miami. Chicago wouldn't count as East Coast perhaps but they're active there as well. Those are the main active branches but there are more on the East Coast as well.
Post 27 Sep 2009, 05:18
You know what would be nice? An actual revolutionary vanguard party in the USA. Right now I see nothing but opportunism and endless concessions to the bourgeoisie. The fact is that the CPUSA directly supports a bourgeois imperialist party that is responsible for countless deaths and untold exploitation simply because they continue to fall for the illusion of bourgeois two-party politics.

I laugh at the very idea of the CPUSA getting any credible support from the Democrats. The only use the democrats have for the CPUSA is the fact that the CPUSA is a nice "release valve" for revolutionary pressure. Angry and disaffected workers, looking for a revolution, are shoved right back into the hands of the bourgeoisie with "The rightwingers are gonna kill us all unless you vote for the lesser of two evils!" rhetoric. The democrats are more than happy to throw a breadcrumb or two at the "filthy poors" if it means staving off revolution for another 50 years. In the meantime, countless third-world workers die and suffer because American communists are content to let the bourgeoisie rule indefinitely.
Post 27 Sep 2009, 05:41
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I laugh at the very idea of the CPUSA getting any credible support from the Democrats.

Who said we were seeking such a thing?

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Angry and disaffected workers, looking for a revolution, are shoved right back into the hands of the bourgeoisie with "The rightwingers are gonna kill us all unless you vote for the lesser of two evils!" rhetoric.

This is a remarkable oversimplification of our tactics. The left is in no position to be running it's own candidates and agitating for violent revolution. We are focused on gaining strength and support, and pouring our resources into pointless campaigns where we have almost no support and no chance of winning worthwhile numbers of members and volunteers would be asinine.

Do you live in America?
Post 27 Sep 2009, 18:37
I live in America. I see poor people everywhere who want real tangible change, but the alternatives keep tip-toeing around that fact.

"Why should I support outsiders when all the outsiders do is support the establishment when it looks like they won't get 50 + 1?"

I'm not even suggesting actual campaigns. Campaigns are for idiots. Instead of meddling in federal politics and trying to draw support from the enfranchised petty bourgeoisie, you should be targeting the poor and ignorant and informing them how badly they are getting screwed, and how no matter who they support in any kind of election, they will lose. You must dispel the illusion of hope and change that the parties continue to cast on the workers. If you do not, they will continue to vacillate between the two heads of the exploitative monster.

I have my own suggestions, but they aren't fit for public consumption. Soviet-Empire.com still has to abide by bourgeois laws.
Post 27 Sep 2009, 19:56
I agree. communist parties in the USA should be focused on education
Post 28 Sep 2009, 18:33
In the perspective of the World Communist Movement is the CPUSA really that right-wing. I would say it is more centrist. The Iraqi CP for example supports the US occupation, and wanted to pass a resolution commending the US.

Most Western European CPs as well as Japan have embrace Eurocommunism, which Sam Webb has not. And the Indian and South Asian CPs all participate in parliament coalition.

There are certainly strongly anti-revisionist parties like the Greeks and Portuguese who are far to the left of the CPUSA. But my point is that the CPUSA is not as out of sync with the world movement as its critics make it appear.
Post 27 Jan 2010, 03:11
Does the recent demise of the People's Weekly World have something to do with this crisis? I was sad to see it go. I've read it since high school and have always found its articles and analysis to be insightful. I know they have a website now, but it seems to me a poor substitute.
Post 27 Jan 2010, 03:39
Is that suposed to be the successor to the Daily Worker?
Post 27 Jan 2010, 03:44
Well, it was the successor to the Daily Worker. Actually, I think there was a short lived publication after the Daily Worker and before the PWW.


I guess I should have read the linked article more closely.
Apparently, they did decide to liquidate their press as part of Sam Webb's reforms. That's a shame.
Loz
Post 03 Feb 2010, 14:30
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I agree. communist parties in the USA should be focused on education


That's the problem.America's lower masses are afraid/disgusted of "communism" thanks to burgeoise propaganda:Boy,i ain't hearin' 'bout your godless evil 'ism...get the f**k outa here.
Post 20 May 2010, 22:02
If there is a crisis in the CPUSA I cannot even begin to imagine what must be going on in all the other communist parties in the USA, considering that the CPUSA are the only ones we see participating in the international communist movement. You know, the one where communist parties actually meet from all around the world and draft common policies and such. To me the other groups seems like fringe groups, to be a bit harsh.
Post 20 May 2010, 22:44
The CPUSA is the most "visible" party, because it's the oldest, with an unbroken line of continuity going back to 1919. There are other groups who've made a sizable "splash", such as the RCP, but those are for the hardest of the hard-core and will never really reach the average Joe Public. CPUSA, by playing it "safe" and "family friendly", is trying to hang on to what flimsy respect it still has in the "respectable" world, in order to call some of that in when the World-Historical Crisis finally comes.

As to what plan of action they (or any party) will take when the WHC finally does come, they're a bit hazy, to say the least.
Post 21 May 2010, 02:53
KameratRed wrote:
If there is a crisis in the CPUSA I cannot even begin to imagine what must be going on in all the other communist parties in the USA,


The crisis in the CPUSA is between revisionists and the few revolutionists.

KameratRed wrote:
considering that the CPUSA are the only ones we see participating in the international communist movement. You know, the one where communist parties actually meet from all around the world and draft common policies and such.


That you think the CPUSA is the only international american party just goes to show how little you know of american communism. My party has organs all over the effin' world.

KameratRed wrote:
To me the other groups seems like fringe groups, to be a bit harsh.


Communism in america is a fringe group.
Post 21 May 2010, 11:58
Dagoth Ur wrote:
The crisis in the CPUSA is between revisionists and the few revolutionists.
That you think the CPUSA is the only international american party just goes to show how little you know of american communism. My party has organs all over the effin' world.
Communism in america is a fringe group.

Well, I can accept that there is i struggle between revisionists and revolutionaries, the paper of the YCL has seemed a bit revisionist from time to time. But the representatives of the YCL and the CPUSA that I have met have been what I would call good communists, and since they are the ones representing the party this suggests that the Marxist-Leninist line is still the dominant in the leadership at least.
Thankfully I did not claim to have an extended knowledge of the american communist movement so I can always accept such corrections. Which party is your party and why did you not participate in the last meeting of communist parties in New Delhi, where some of the biggest communist parties of the world were represented?
And does your youth league participate in the World Federation of Democratic Youth?
Now I do not wish to annoy you with my assumptions, I am genuinely interested in knowing more, I have however learnt that stepping on a couple of toes tends to get more answers
Post 21 May 2010, 17:47
KameratRed wrote:
If there is a crisis in the CPUSA I cannot even begin to imagine what must be going on in all the other communist parties in the USA, considering that the CPUSA are the only ones we see participating in the international communist movement. You know, the one where communist parties actually meet from all around the world and draft common policies and such. To me the other groups seems like fringe groups, to be a bit harsh.


CPUSA's international contacts are actually one of the few good points I have to say about the party. The fact that the CPUSA was the "Moscow aligned party" during the USSR's existence has given it many contacts in the international communist movement.

Dagoth wrote:
The crisis in the CPUSA is between revisionists and the few revolutionists.


That.

Dagoth wrote:
That you think the CPUSA is the only international american party just goes to show how little you know of american communism. My party has organs all over the effin' world.


A lot of Trotskist groups tend to have connected parties in various countries.
Post 21 May 2010, 17:49
According to one website, there are over 30 Trotskyist internationals.
Post 21 May 2010, 18:09
I've been keeping a very close eye on the Party's 29th convention, which started today. Depending on how it goes, I'll either join them or be in a buridan's ass situation with Worker's World and the PSL. A quick browse through some of the convention discussion documents shows an all-too-vocal anti-revisionist wing, so I'm hopeful.
Post 22 May 2010, 00:10
Here is the keynote speech if anyone wants to see it. http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article ... view/9383/
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