02 Nov 2010, 03:01
Yeah, that's the tragedy of Iraq. It's gone into one quagmire into another, all of the connected somehow to western meddling in their affairs. I suppose this is what happens when the entity of Iraq was created solely for the ease of operations for the Anglo-Iraq Oil company.
Unfortunately the one boon that Iraq had under Saddam, control of their oil, is now whored out to US and their contractors. AFAIK it isn't the nationalized form it used to be and they aren't receiving all the profits they used to from it. Never mind now they got to pay debts back to Kuweit, the Arab Gulf States, to the United States, etc...
02 Nov 2010, 18:46
Saddam took U.N. sanctions and ignored them, allowing his people to suffer while he built a military machine.
He's not a socialist, and he was an awful imperialist leader (Kuwait hur dur)
04 Nov 2010, 17:52
I know that even a pro-Ba'ath Iraqi Communist Party existed for a while, although it was continuously repressed and then it was annihilated by Saddam himself when he took power.
05 Nov 2010, 16:50
Interesting. Another reason not to support Saddam.
19 Nov 2010, 16:48
I've read that Saddam support Islamist-socialist anti-mullah faction named "MEK" (mujahideen e khalq) in Iran and gave them military base camp near Iran-Iraq border. Is that true?
19 Nov 2010, 16:57
That's the first I've heard of them so I did a quick search on Wikipedia. It turns out to be the case that Saddam did support them. If we're talking whether or not this gives him any socialist credentials or if he just did it out of pragmatism, however, I would say that he only supported them because they were opponents of the Iranian government and might have been ideologically more similar to him (in theory, at least, but the Ba'ath Party is only ostensibly left-wing but not so much in practice).
19 Nov 2010, 23:16
It sounds more like a case of the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend--for the moment" mindset. I'm sure Saddam would have gladly sent some small token of support even to the Iranian Communist party if it had been in a position of needing just an extra tiny push to overthrow the mullahs.
20 Nov 2010, 00:18
Yea, the PMOI, I mentioned earlier, was a faction in the Iranian revolution that had a cut of youth support but got pushed out in the infighting in the power vacuum that developed with the fall of the monarchy.
To that end many of their functionaries and cadres fled to Iraq and were used, more so in the earlier years, as allies against the Iranians. However they were never really that much influential to begin with and by the midpoint of the war weren't really much of an important factor. After the war some of them remained in Iraq as refugees of sort, though the status of this camp has become compromised by Shi'a hardliners who take the Iranian government's official line towards them.
I don't think they have much of a good image inside Iran, because of this collaboration. The only major change is that the EU removed the PMOI from a list of ascribed terrorist groups, presumably due to PMOI's role in gathering information inside of Iran through informants.
It was definitely a case of enemy of my enemy, because in the early years of the war a similar case was replicated with the Kurds on either side of the border. Kurds of Iraq who were returning from Iran were given safe passage and began to move back into Northern Iraq (KDP/PUK), while the Kurds in Iran (mainly KDP-I) were being spurred on by Iraq, though again by the mid point of the war this ceased to be a factor and the KDP-I stopped fighting with their counter parts from Iraq.
01 Apr 2011, 21:22
While the man may have made the country more secular his vast killings of the Kurds cannot be ignored along with his aggressive invasion of Kuwait. There is a reason why Iraqi people through flags over hist statue and cheered when it was toppled and he ran from his palace.
04 Apr 2011, 15:40
I spoke with Iraqi refugees who had a worse opinion of the American army for "liberating" them. One was a government employee who was forced from his country because of the threats against him for his desk job.