Yami wrote:No, in 1956 the revisionists were still in the process of capitalist restoration. What was clear in Hungary was that they were getting rid of proletarian elements and bringing reactionaries to the fore. Khrushchev welcomed the rise of Imre Nagy, who was a supposed "victim of Stalinism" and friendly to Tito. When Nagy began to move away from the Soviet revisionists and into the arms of US imperialism, the revisionists boosted Kádár, originally a Nagy associate and fellow "victim of Stalinism," to replace him. All the while both the Soviet and Hungarian revisionists were denouncing Rákosi and liquidating the Hungarian Workers' Party. Under the leadership of Kádár, loyal to the Soviet revisionists, capitalism was restored in Hungary. The Soviet revisionists blamed Rákosi for the counter-revolutionary revolt of 1956.So what are you saying now then, that from 1945 to the day before the Hungarian invasion there was no Soviet imperalism, but after there was?
Yami wrote:There's another SE poster who would know more about this, but Stalin had warned the East German leadership in regards to economic policy. Instead this leadership ignored Stalin. This same leadership went along with the Soviet revisionists in slandering Stalin, and Ulbricht personally denounced Hoxha in 1960-61.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uprising_of_1953_in_East_Germany
Sorry comrade not by 1956...but by 1953 you mean! It keeps going back and back.
Quote:Not from 1917 to 1934, but afterwards yes. The Soviet leadership under Stalin, following Lenin's instructions, built socialism in the main.Are you seriously trying to suggest that between 1917 – 1956 there was socialism in the USSR?
Yami wrote:There are three works which compare the Soviet economy under Stalin, and that economy under Khrushchev and Brezhnev.Between 1935 – early 1960 the state and the rouble ceased to exist in the Soviet Union and production was for use and not for profit? Evidence please!
Yami wrote:No one claimed that capitalism was restored the second Stalin's heart ceased to beat. In Albania for instance Alia pursued a course to the right of Hoxha, but actual capitalist restoration weren't until 1990.Unfortunately capitalism does not care who is in power, it follows its own logic regardless of who sits in the Kremlin/White House/10 Downing Street etc. But then if you’d read the works of Marx you’d know that.
Politicians cannot control capitalism; it controls them.
Quote:No one is mentioning growth rates either.It is true, that under Stalin, the Soviet economy did have impressive growth figures. But and it’s a big but, they were industrialising from a very low base and the growth rates were achieved at a cost of millions of lives.
Ismail wrote:In Albania for instance Alia pursued a course to the right of Hoxha, but actual capitalist restoration weren't until 1990.
EdvardK wrote:Apparently Yugoslav "socialism" was much stronger, managing to survive 10 years after Tito died?The great leader of Albania, comrade hoxha kicked the bucket sometime in 1985 - lo and behold, only 4,5 years later "capitalism" is restored. What does that tell you about the truly magnificent nature of the great leader of albania, herr hoxha? How strong and permeated was socialism in albanians that it couldn't withstand more than 4,5 years?
Ismail wrote:Apparently Yugoslav "socialism" was much stronger, managing to survive 10 years after Tito died?
EdvardK wrote:I put the word "socialism" in quotation marks for a reason, you illiterate.According to your (flawless, of course) historical analysis from other threads, SFRY did not have socialism at all even during the marshall Tito era. So your argument is flawed either now or in other threads.
Quote:No I'm not, it's a stupid argument to claim that just because socialism was overthrown on a certain date, this proves that socialism didn't exist in the country. After all, you hold that the USSR under Stalin went against Lenin's policies, does this mean that, in your view, there was no dictatorship of the proletariat under Lenin because it would mean that such a DOTP was overthrown less than 10 years after his death?Second (which should be first, actually), you are retorting to pointing a finger towards others (such as Yugoslavia) to get away from the fact that hoxhaist albania perished back in 1985 when he kicked the bucket. You actually did not respond to that fact at all.
Ismail wrote:I put the word "socialism" in quotation marks for a reason, you illiterate.
Ismail wrote:No I'm not, it's a stupid argument to claim that just because socialism was overthrown on a certain date, this proves that socialism didn't exist in the country.
Ismail wrote:After all, you hold that the USSR under Stalin went against Lenin's policies,
Ismail wrote:does this mean that, in your view, there was no dictatorship of the proletariat under Lenin because it would mean that such a DOTP was overthrown less than 10 years after his death?
EdvardK wrote:http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scare%20quotesPlease, explain - it was *not* socialism but "socialism"? That is very revisionist of you because Marx never talked about "socialism". Are you inventing some kind of a different term for socialism which is not socialism at all, but "socialism"? Can you quote your source on that, please?
Quote:Illiteracy among those below the age of 40 was done away with by 1955 in Albania, whereas into the 70s Albanian youths in Kosovo still struggled with illiteracy, according to Yugoslav sources.I also have to disappoint you about my alleged illiteracy - while 20x larger SFRY (in which I'm proud to say I lived) had a high degree of literacy, tiny Albania was still struggling with litraci..litecari...littercay... literacy.
Quote:Stalin was for NEP as well (which the Trotskyists opportunistically attacked him for in the mid-20s.) Then the NEP fulfilled its goals and it was done away with. Lenin was also for "War Communism" as well, until its goals (win the Civil War) were fulfilled.Which part of the sentence "Lenin was for NEP whereas Stalin effectively abolished it" you don't understand?
Quote:And yet the Trotskyist position is that the so-called "Stalinist bureaucracy" took power after Lenin's death.Your questions show how little you understand the beginning of the Soviet Union, thinking that Lenin was alpha and omega of everything and that no one else (Trotsky etc.) had anything to say. It just shows your black&white understanding of the world which - in your head - is especially focused around the bastardized abuse of the word SOCIALISM and COMMUNISM, as direct consequence of your stalin idolatry. I know, I know, this is hard for you to read about yourself, but someone had to tell it to you.
Ismail wrote:
Ismail wrote:Illiteracy among those below the age of 40 was done away with by 1955 in Albania, whereas into the 70s Albanian youths in Kosovo still struggled with illiteracy, according to Yugoslav sources.
Ismail wrote:Stalin was for NEP as well (which the Trotskyists opportunistically attacked him for in the mid-20s.) Then the NEP fulfilled its goals and it was done away with. Lenin was also for "War Communism" as well, until its goals (win the Civil War) were fulfilled.
Ismail wrote:It's pretty much not worth talking to you because you post as if you were mentally incompetent. You either cannot or will not respond to my posts in any normal manner. Yami may be an imbecile, but he can at least recognize what he's replying to.
EdvardK wrote:Actually I got that statistic from multiple bourgeois sources, such as James S. O'Donnell and Peter R. Prifti, so no.you must be a rabid fairy-tale reader.
Quote:Do you have a source?In 1955, albania's literacy was 34% among the adult female population, and slightly better for males (47%).
Quote:Your logic only makes sense if you believe NEP was never implemented. The goals of NEP were met by 1929, after having been in effect for 8 years.Do you know what the goals of NEP were and how they could be fulfilled under your glorious stalin who abolished all private incentive and initiative? Please, google, read, think, and THEN come back to me.
Ismail wrote:Do you have a source?
Ismail wrote:Your logic only makes sense if you believe NEP was never implemented. The goals of NEP were met by 1929, after having been in effect for 8 years.
EdvardK wrote:The claim put forward is made in various books. A more definite statement on the overall literacy rate during the socialist period can be found in the entry by Nicholas C. Pano in The Columbia History of Eastern Europe in the Twentieth Century, published in 1992: "By the end of the Hoxha era illiteracy in the country had been eradicated." (p. 48.)I am ready to disclose it as soon as you provide an UNBIASED and internationally valid source for your outrageous claims of 100% literacy amond population below 40 in 1955. Mind you, Albanian politburo is not a credible source in this respect.
Quote:In those 10 pages you can't give me a single example of how Stalin supposedly prevented the NEP from operating?Mark Harrison, Why Did NEP Fail, p57-67. eat it, pedro!
Ismail wrote:socialist period can be found in the entry by Nicholas C. Pano in The Columbia History of Eastern Europe in the Twentieth Century, published in 1992: "By the end of the Hoxha era illiteracy in the country had been eradicated." (p. 48.)
Quote:In those 10 pages you can't give me a single example of how Stalin supposedly prevented the NEP from operating?[/quote]Mark Harrison, Why Did NEP Fail, p57-67. eat it, pedro!
EdvardK wrote:Actually you claimed that illiteracy was high in Albania even by the end of the Hoxha era, hence why I brought it up.Sorry, pedro, this time i'm not letting you off the hook - you claimed eradication of illiteracy of population under 40 in 1955. Provide a solid proof for that. Here you provided a "proof" about the end of hoxha era. 1955 is NOT THE END OF HOXHA ERA. It's like claiming that Albanians landed on the Moon and then providing a source on Albania taking part in an international satellite launch.
Quote:Keep in mind that there are anti-communists that falsely claim NEP was inaugurated by Lenin because he supposedly "realized communism doesn't work." Then there is the fact that Gorbachev, Deng, and other pseudo-communists cited the NEP in trying to carry out their own polices. Then you have the apologists for the Bukharinists.I just gave you the exact pages. and start reading. i'm done with you