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Post 09 Oct 2016, 17:36
Despite hundreds of claims to the contrary, Socialism/Communism doesn't attempt to create an artificial equality. I think that the theory (and practice) have no objection to competition, provided it's fair. In the Soviet Union too, there were differences in salaries (and hence living standards.). For example, some great contributors to science, art etc. were paid handsomely (for example, we can recall the benefits Igor Kurchatov's team received for their dedicated work to make the country militarily strong). This part is OK and also desirable to allow natural justice. This is way better than a capitalistic system, since more equal opportunities are provided for all in a socialistic society. This strong point is virtually absent in a capitalist economy for obvious reasons.

Having said that, the theory/practice of socialism and communism should be prevented from undesirable bureaucracy, things like 'great purge' (mean purge!).
Post 05 Nov 2016, 04:27
I have divided a post given apparently by heiss93 into two parts.

1. Unless you believe that private property is an essential element of human nature, and that its accumulation is an essential component of human activity. If you refuse to conceive of wealth as being anything other than individual, it follows that naturally competitive human beings will also have to compete in terms of individual wealth.

Reply: People in the Soviet Union had competitions for Science, Sports etc. That aside, compare the (almost) infinite wealth a few capitalists enjoy (often without doing any meaningful work) while others who work (both physically and mentally) for them are paid too little. This amounts to attaching an uncalled for divinity status to the extremely wealthy and making the others some sort of slaves. As Vladimir Lenin quite correctly said, "every man who has healthy body and mind, should work".

2. Of course, this is tantamount to denying that men are social beings. Thatcher expressed this clearly when she said, "there is no such thing as society."

Reply: Margaret Thatcher said these words? Third rate and mindless politicians exist in every country! If there is "nothing like a society", why did she contest in election(s) first of all? And of course pages and pages can be written against the meaningless statement of M. Thatcher.

Those who can contribute greatly to art, science/technology/medicine etc. should be respected and paid well. The Soviet Union achieved this partially. If you want competition, the competition should be fair. Democratic Socialism, if implemented well, is meant for that. Don't ask the poor worker's son or daughter to compete a billionaire's child.

I do agree that things like "Great Purge" and arrest(s) of some intellectuals should not have happened. Such nonsensical things should be condemned.
Post 05 Nov 2016, 17:20
So? Was it depressing? I've heard stories about really good lives in the East but also really anti-Soviet propaganda-like stories saying that it was a bad place. What is true?
Post 05 Nov 2016, 23:17
USSR wrote:
So? Was it depressing? I've heard stories about really good lives in the East but also really anti-Soviet propaganda-like stories saying that it was a bad place. What is true?

Both are, depending on your perspective. Dostoevsky simultaneously loved and hated Imperial Russia. Millions of people hated the USSR because of their Tsarist or White Guard sympathies. Millions of people in later generations found themselves disappointed with the slow progress of Socialism, or disappointed in not receiving the Party post they were angling for. Plenty of people were simply apathetic about the whole thing.

Meanwhile, millions of other people loved being free from crushing economic hardship, racism, and street crime. It all depends on who you were, where you were, and what your basic attitude to life was.
Post 09 Jan 2017, 23:46
well, comrade, you should ask some members who were actually born and lived there. of them, there are not many here. but even those who are all green and not older than 25 (plenty of them here) will be the first ones to offer their "first-hand experiences" with living in the east. should i name but a few of those eager members? or should i opt not to in order to not get banned again?
Post 10 Jan 2017, 00:02
You'd be lucky to name 3 active posters. Soviet Empire may have be renamed Internet Graveyard of Empire.
Post 10 Jan 2017, 00:04
well, maybe two years ago i already foresaw this would happen as admins were overly enthusiastic in banning people for their own opinions, as soon as they did not fully agree with (mostly stalinist) opinions of members here.
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