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Post 15 Mar 2011, 23:05
At that point whether it is a 'defect' or not becomes a subjective matter.
Post 16 Mar 2011, 06:36
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At that point whether it is a 'defect' or not becomes a subjective matter


You're right, Since homosexuals cannot be labeled as defect until with a strong proof, I think we should speak of them as different, different is not bad as long as it's not harmful to society
and in this case it isn't harmful to society.
Post 16 Mar 2011, 07:09
Like I said man, I have nothing against gays. Have a few gay friends. Its just that someone needs to argue the other side, who isnt a complete nutter.
Post 30 Jun 2011, 01:27
This is an old thread but i thought it bears bringing up that opposition to homosexuals usually stems from religious institutions and i think we know which side they are on.

Hint: its not the proles
Post 14 Feb 2012, 18:04
Due to tradition in conservative Russian culture, it was (and still is in some regions) not customary for individuals of any sexual orientation to engage in public displays of affection. As a country that used to embrace science and rationalism, the Soviet Russia recognized that many individuals are born with homosexuality as a genetic trait and treats them with due respect.

Homosexuals in Russia were never subject to repression, as in many capitalist regimes around the world. However, Russia as a nation used to place a lot of emphasis on social harmony and morals. Therefore, Russia rejected many characteristics of the popular gay culture in the West, which many perceive to embrace consumerism, classism and promiscuity.

As for other Soviet Republics each culture and society differed from one another, i.e Uzbekistan's culture on homosexuality differed from Czechoslovakia's culture on homosexuality.
Post 15 Feb 2012, 18:50
Fellow Comrade wrote:
(Stalin made the Orthodox Christmas day a national holiday again).


What???
Post 15 Feb 2012, 20:18
comrade-zx wrote:
Due to tradition in conservative Russian culture, it was (and still is in some regions) not customary for individuals of any sexual orientation to engage in public displays of affection. As a country that used to embrace science and rationalism, the Soviet Russia recognized that many individuals are born with homosexuality as a genetic trait and treats them with due respect.

Homosexuals in Russia were never subject to repression, as in many capitalist regimes around the world. However, Russia as a nation used to place a lot of emphasis on social harmony and morals. Therefore, Russia rejected many characteristics of the popular gay culture in the West, which many perceive to embrace consumerism, classism and promiscuity.

As for other Soviet Republics each culture and society differed from one another, i.e Uzbekistan's culture on homosexuality differed from Czechoslovakia's culture on homosexuality.


I'm pretty pro-USSR but being imprisoned is pretty much repression, unless there's something I am missing here?
Loz
Post 15 Feb 2012, 20:25
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Homosexuals in Russia were never subject to repression, as in many capitalist regimes around the world.

Well that's false.
Homosexuality was officialy made illegal in the 30s although official repression against homosexuals was present in the 20s too.
The Soviet society back then (and is even today) was opposed to homosexuality and there was also the thing that homosexuality was seen as pro-fascist.
Post 15 Feb 2012, 21:14
Loz wrote:
Well that's false.
Homosexuality was officialy made illegal in the 30s although official repression against homosexuals was present in the 20s too.
The Soviet society back then (and is even today) was opposed to homosexuality and there was also the thing that homosexuality was seen as pro-fascist.


What's amusing is that fascists were of course murdering homosexuals in concentration camps.

Mansex for anti-fascist struggle!
Loz
Post 15 Feb 2012, 21:19
Well it's not that simple.
There really were (and still are) noticeable "connections" between fascist movements and (male) homosexuality.
Google "homosexuality fascism",there are some interesting articles.
E.Rohm was for example one of the more prominent homosexual Nazis,although he got liquidated later.
Post 15 Feb 2012, 21:21
Loz wrote:
Well it's not that simple.
There really were (and still are) noticeable "connections" between fascist movements and (male) homosexuality.
Google "homosexuality fascism",there are some interesting articles.
E.Rohm was for example one of the more prominent homosexual Nazis,although he got liquidated later.


Right, just like there's been scores of anti-gay politicians in the US that have later been caught in gay affairs. Doesn't make conservative politics more gay, just makes them bigger liars.

I sort of developed a drunk theory that they want to outlaw gay sex, because they like having it, but only when it's forbidden and "wrong", since that makes it more hot for them.
Post 15 Feb 2012, 22:14
I'd just like to add here that official condemnation or non-recognition is one thing; what people did in the privacy of their bedrooms was something else. It was widely known by people in the artistic and cultural worlds in places like Moscow and Leningrad that there was something 'different' about many of the dancers, theater players, actors, directors, etc., but there was never a systematic attempt, to my knowledge, to repress them by virtue of their sexual orientation. Officially, in line with globally accepted psychiatric doctrine at the time, homosexuality was treated as a mental illness, and as such those individuals who were outed had to undergo 'treatment', including things like hormone injection.

Ultimately, we can and should criticize Soviet policy in this area for its official intolerance, but must remember a) that Soviet policy was in line with most of the rest of the world at the time and b) that official repression and unofficial tolerance existed side by side.
Post 16 Feb 2012, 19:18
That's right. Most of those jailed on the count of homosexuality, (or more exactly, male homosexuality, as there was nothing in the Soviet society against female homosexuality, which wasn't even socially recognized as a deviation separate from frigidity), say themselves that the nature of their cases was political in essence, and the article was used by the prosecutors in lieu of, or in addition to that on anti-Soviet activity, or some other more serious crime.
Post 16 Feb 2012, 21:53
To speak the truth, it is because of western pressures and that it is against socialism....that and people thought it looked bad that one couldnt express an opposite sexuality.
Post 29 Apr 2012, 13:39
As an openly gay male married to another male, I would simply say that to limit Communism to Marx/Engels/Lenin and their ideologies is a mistake. Communism is not a stagnant, cast in concrete entity, it is a dynamic, evolving philosophy. One does not achieve a Communist state instantaneously, Communism is a destination to be traveled to, arrived at after a long journey.

Americans often make the mistake of attempting to limit their interpretation of their Constitution to so called framers intent, sad, sad mistake. Common sense should dictate that the ideas, philosophies an values of the 1700s America have little to do with the practical realities of today.

Yes, historically speaking many societies and certainly a large percentage of males have been homophobic. This has origins in everything from religious prohibitions and training to male sexual insecurities. Neither justifies an oppressive and discriminatory position of law.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp, if you do not care for homosexual relationships and sex, do not engage in homosexual relationships and sex, problem solved.
Post 29 Apr 2012, 22:05
bundtrock wrote:
Yes, historically speaking many societies and certainly a large percentage of males have been homophobic. This has origins in everything from religious prohibitions and training to male sexual insecurities. Neither justifies an oppressive and discriminatory position of law.


Agreed. So was the 'official' Soviet position something that angered you, or did you excuse if not justify it by the fact that Russian mass society was rather backwards well into the 20th century?
Post 29 Apr 2012, 22:21
soviet78 wrote:
Agreed. So was the 'official' Soviet position something that angered you, or did you excuse if not justify it by the fact that Russian mass society was rather backwards well into the 20th century?


No, it really did not anger me, no society is perfect, never will be, you weigh the pros and the cons and make judgments from there. It really isn't a matter of excusing, so much as understanding that fear is an extremely powerful force in peoples lives and propel them to engage in all sorts of irrational thoughts and at times behaviors.

Homosexuality permeated Soviet society, including the party leadership, every bit as much as it does any other. There were "gay" clubs in Moscow and other major Soviet cities in the 70s and 80s. Like the US, there were "gay" districts where homosexuals and homosexual lifestyles were tolerated well.
Post 29 Apr 2012, 22:57
And if we do not want to accept homosexuality in mainstream society who is to tell us otherwise?
Post 29 Apr 2012, 23:04
Political Interest wrote:
And if we do not want to accept homosexuality in mainstream society who is to tell us otherwise?


Quite simply, you have no choice, it exists and there is nothing you can do to change that fact. It has always existed and will always exist. The only question is one of legality.
Post 30 May 2012, 06:08
The Soviet Union was the first state in history to recognize the rights of all sexualities, races, etnicities, religions etc.

Of course their where controversy, objections, wrongdoings etc with the history of the peoples living in Soviet Union taken into account....
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