Conscript wrote:I couldn't care less about the inner workings of this republic. In fact, the only thing I'm concerned about is how some com parties are using it.
khlib wrote:Do you plan on voting in the 2012 election? Why or why not?
Indigo wrote:I'll probably do what I always do. Vote for local Green or SPUSA party candidates and the PSL presidential candidate. But looks like it'll be all Green this year, since the SPUSA lost ballot status in my state.
Quote:khlib-I've been trying to decide whether to do this or to vote for Obama. For me, it basically comes down to long-term vs. short-term goals. In order to break out of the two-party system, it is necessary for a third-party candidate to get enough votes so that in a future election, people don't feel as if they are "throwing away" their votes by voting for him or her. On the other hand, that's not going to happen in this election, and we really cannot afford to have another neo-con in office. Therefore, I think I'm going to vote for Obama. I am really interested in hearing what you guys have to say about this.
Quote:I sincerely feel that Pres, Obama is little better than the neocon Republicans. For example this article illustrates why Obama is no better than Pres. George W. Bush was, in regards to human rights, and peace. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/02/drone-wars-secrecy-barack-obama"It's a whole lot better to vote for what you want and not get it than it is to vote for what you don't want and get it."
khlib wrote:We have too much on the line to allow Romney into office.
khlib wrote:lol, how is that a good quote? It's like saying, I want chocolate cake, and I'd rather starve to death than eat that sandwich.
khlib wrote:Obama is much better than Bush was when it comes to peace. He is far from what I'd like to see in terms of foreign policy and economics, but to say he is no better than Bush or Romney is a complete joke.
Indigo wrote:I remember back when they went to Iraq and everyone said "No Iraq's got nothing to do with it, Afghanistan is where the terrorists are coming from". So now they go to Afghanistan instead and look at the fuss over that.One of Obama's main campaign planks was the escalation of the war in Afghanistan and to crack down on Iran. Not to mention he handled the situation in the Middle East identically to how Bush would have done it. The idea that Obama's a peace president has no basis in fact, and he never pretended otherwise.
Indigo wrote:Now, I'm not sure sure if I misunderstand things and you are literally claiming there will be no difference whatsoever between the two; or are you claiming that the differences are so minimal that it isn't even worth the time it takes to vote.I'm not about to vote against the Republicans by voting for Obama. There'll be a neo-liberal in office regardless of who wins.
Dagoth Ur wrote:Romney operates from precisely the same political position as Obama. And he would follow an identical course.
Indigo wrote:It's more like saying it's better to try and fail to get a chocolate cake than to try the significantly easier task of getting a urinal cake.
khlib wrote:One of Obama's main campaign planks was the escalation of the war in Afghanistan and to crack down on Iran.
Quote:Not to mention he handled the situation in the Middle East identically to how Bush would have done it.
Quote:There'll be a neo-liberal in office regardless of who wins.
khlib wrote:I also suppose you don't care much about the health care and reproductive choices of your female comrades because Obama is undeniably better than Romney on those issues.
Shigalyov wrote:It seems to me that the difference between Obama and Romney is probably more pronounced in domestic matters than it is in foreign policy.
Now, I'm not sure sure if I misunderstand things and you are literally claiming there will be no difference whatsoever between the two; or are you claiming that the differences are so minimal that it isn't even worth the time it takes to vote.
If you think there is any difference between the two (other than new stationery) then the only way this makes sense to me is if you suppose that having Romney as president will push the workers towards developing a true revolutionary consciousness.