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Post 26 May 2012, 00:02
Do you support the KKE's strategy of refusing any alliance with SYRIZA, the so-called "radical left" coalition?

For more informations on this strategy: http://inter.kke.gr/News/news2012/2012-05-23-arthro
Last edited by OP-Bagration on 26 May 2012, 07:01, edited 1 time in total.
Post 26 May 2012, 05:10
No, the KKE should be progressive rather and social democratic and at least be in diologue with other progressive organisations, even if they don't agree on particular tactics. Neither should they be afraid to be associated with "radical" parties.
Post 26 May 2012, 07:01
Why? What is the aim of this policy?
Post 26 May 2012, 07:58
Why do you think? This is a time when the Left should be in communication with other progressive groups, not working against each other. SYRIZA would have to be pretty bad to justify the continuation of the split. I get the impression they have started to change in recent years. If you can prove to me that SYRIZA is the Greek equivalent of the CP-USA and the KKE the PSL, I'd probably change my mind.
Loz
Post 26 May 2012, 12:50
Yes.
The article clearly says that SYRIZA is an expositure of imperialism set up in order to break up the Greek people's struggle for socialism and communism.

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If you can prove to me that SYRIZA is the Greek equivalent of the CP-USA and the KKE the PSL, I'd probably change my mind.

Greece's "Democratic Party" is now weaker than SYRIZA itself. But SYRIZA are SDs and in favor of imperialism.
Post 26 May 2012, 13:10
No offense, but that doesn't mean much coming from you loz since you've become so sectarian...
Loz
Post 26 May 2012, 14:48
Extra +++ points for turning a KKE article (did you even read it FFS?) into "something Loz said". Never miss an opportunity for a personal attack, eh?
What i said here is what it says in the article, that's the KKE line.

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Certain international bourgeois media, presenting SYRIZA as the “winner” of the May 6th elections, did not explore beyond its title: “Coalition of the Radical Left” and came to the conclusion that it is a radical left or even communist party. Of course this has no basis in reality. The central force within SYRIZA is the party “Coalition of the Left” (SYN), which has a social-democratic programme. In 1992 it voted for the Maastricht treaty in the Greek Parliament and is a supporter of the imperialist European Union, which it believes can be improved. It joined the anti-communist campaign against the USSR and the other socialist countries we knew in the 20th century. SYN is a member of the Presidium of the so-called “European Left Party” (ELP), which is an instrument of the EU to eradicate the communist characteristics of the CPs in the EU countries.


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Together with SYN there are forces that entered SYRIZA from the Social-democratic PASOK, as well as various smaller ultra-left groups of a Trotskyist hue, and mutated former “maoist” groups, which add political “spice” to the basically social-democratic and anti-communist “meal”. A basic goal of this particular formation is the reduction of the electoral, trade union and more general political influence of the KKE, Thus, there are numerous examples over the last decade of the anti-KKE character of this political formation. In dozens of trade unions, sectoral federations and labour centres (local trade union councils), the forces of SYRIZA cooperate and form electoral alliances with PASOK forces in order to impede the election of communist delegates to the higher trade union bodies. SYRIZA is the sworn enemy of the All-workers Militant Front (PAME) which is a rally of class-oriented trade unions. SYRIZA’s forces openly collaborate with government and employer-led forces in the leading bodies of the compromised trade union confederations in the private (GSEE) and public sector (ADEDY). In many instances they have a similar stance in local elections. A particularly characteristic example was the stance in the municipal elections of 2010 in Ikaria. The KKE possesses significant electoral influence on this island, which was a former place of exile for communists. In the 2010 elections SYRIZA collaborated with the social-democratic PASOK, the liberal ND and the nationalist LAOS so that the island would not elect a communist mayor. Then the KKE’s candidate received 49.5% of the votes and the municipality was won by the anti-KKE alliance by a few hundred votes.

Today SYRIZA is trying to attack the KKE with proposals of political expediency regarding the so-called “unity of the left”, in an attempt for the KKE to erase whole sections of its programme, to abandon its principles and to accept the policy of managing the capitalist system, which is proposed by SYRIZA.

Based on this, the least we could say is that the stance of certain CPs was not responsible, which rushed to salute the electoral rise of this opportunist and anti-communist formation in the name of the electoral increase of the “left”, without knowing the real situation in Greece. They saluted a sworn enemy of the KKE, an enemy whose participation in a coalition government of the supporters of the EU has been proposed by the president of the Greek industrialists.


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Many politicized workers, from various countries in Europe and the world, pose this question: Why does the KKE not make some compromises? Why does it insist on its political line for the rallying of social forces, which want to struggle against the monopolies, against capitalism, against the imperialist unions, for people’s working class power and does not support the political line of “unity of the left”, the struggle to correct capitalist reality, and the EU, with political and/or governmental collaboration with other “left” and social-democratic forces, as other CPs in Europe have done?

To begin with, The KKE has for some time now clarified that the meanings “left” and “right” are not terms that reflect today’s political situation. The term “Left” today could be used to describe the GS of NATO or the Prime Minister of a country who is conducting an imperialist war and is carrying out anti-worker and anti-people measures at the expense of the workers in his country. The Communist Party is not simply a “left party”, but the party which struggles for the overthrow of capitalism, the construction of the new socialist-communist society. It is this path, this line of struggle that can bring about gains and not the reverse!

As history has demonstrated, reforms, the struggle to “correct” the capitalist system, to blunt the most extreme anti-people measures, which is what the opportunist-social-democratic forces focus on, have never led to the overthrow of capitalism anywhere. On the contrary! On many occasions this approach has led to the consolidation of capitalism, through the creation of illusions amongst millions of workers, that capitalism can be allegedly humanized; that today the European Central Bank can be transformed from a tool of capitalism into… a charitable organization which will hand out interest-free loans or that the European Union, can be transformed from a union which serves capital into a “union of the peoples”, as SYN/SYRIZA and the ELP claim.

This is the reason why the KKE promotes its political proposal in a comprehensive fashion, which it specialized for the elections on the 6th of May in the slogan: “ Out of the EU, with people’s power and the unilateral cancellation of the debt.”

In this sense, the KKE remains consistently oriented to Marxism-Leninism. As Lenin wrote: “The proletariat is fighting, and will continue to fight, to destroy the old regime. Towards this end it will direct all its propaganda and agitation, and all its efforts to organise and mobilise the masses. If it fails to destroy the old regime completely, it will take advantage even of its partial destruction. But it will never advocate partial destruction, depict this in rosy colours, or call upon the people to support it. Real support in a genuine struggle is given to those who strive for the maximum (achieving something less in the event of failure) and not to those who opportunistically curtail the aims of the struggle before the fight.”[2]

The KKE has rejected the idea of forming a “left government”, which will keep Greece in the EU and NATO and the capitalist relations of production untouched, and which will allegedly be able to implement a pro-people management of the system. Our party is struggling for the development of the class struggle, the political consciousness of the workers, their liberation from the influence of the bourgeois parties and ideological constructs and for the formation of a social alliance, which will defend the interests of the workers and will also seek to extricate the country from imperialist interventions, and will also pose the question of power.


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The KKE has for some time warned the Greek people that the bourgeois class is preparing a face-lift of the political scene in order to preserve its power. The reason is that it cannot manage the political system on the basis of the rotation of a conservative (ND) and a social-democratic party (PASOK) in power as it has been doing since 1974, after the fall of military dictatorship. The bourgeois system seeks to get rid of parties and persons who have been exposed in the eyes of the people once and for all. Under these conditions SYRIZA, which has a social-democratic programme, reaped benefits in the elections by spreading blatant lies, both before and during the election period, fostering illusions which in essence claim that there can be a better future for the workers without a conflict with the monopolies and the imperialist unions. That is why it bears enormous responsibilities vis-à-vis the people!

The KKE urges the working people to realize that this face-lift has nothing to do with the satisfaction of the contemporary needs of the people. Even the so called “left government” is a leaking lifeboat for the working people who have been suffocated by the impasses of the capitalist system.
Post 26 May 2012, 15:01
I don't take their article on faith for the same reason. It could well have a sectarian bias. It reminds me too much of the Communist Party of Venezuela when they rejected the PSUV.
Post 26 May 2012, 15:03
I don't know much about the PSL and the CPUSA, but I thought that the CPUSA chose to support the Democrats. If you agree with the strategy of an alliance of the "left" against the "right", then you should support the CPUSA. In this article, the KKE's statements about the meanings "left" and "right" is very interesting. I think that this is a big problem today in the communist movement. Marxism criticizes this parliamentarist point of view. There is two fundamental questions:

- What is the aim?
- What is to be done?

The aim, for all of us, is to make a revolution. Each of our actions must be directed towards this objective. Otherwise, there is a problem, the strategy is fragged up. And in order to answer to the second question, you need to analyze the relations between classes. So you have to wonder what is hiding behind SYRIZA. Is SYRIZA a threat to capitalism, is it a progress for the workers? Or is capitalism changing its wheel in order to survive?
Loz
Post 26 May 2012, 15:07
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I don't take their article on faith for the same reason.

In other words you don't have any arguments, except "faith" and "some reasons".

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It could well have a sectarian bias.

Read the article please and then comment.

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SYRIZA, which is an alliance of opportunist forces, which had left the KKE from the “right” (in the Party splits in 1968 and 1991) and which has been joined in recent years by forces from the social-democratic PASOK, gathered 1,061,265 votes or 16.8%, an increase +745,600 or +12.2%,


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The refusal of the KKE to submit itself to “left” formations or even to a government of the “left” is being targeted by its enemies, and “friends”, who directly or indirectly call on the KKE to “unite” with the other “left” forces. The CPs which are in the presidium of the ELP are following this line. There were also some rather crude attacks e.g. by various Trotskyist groups that are more well-known abroad than in our own country who characterized the KKE as sectarian and dogmatic.

How is it possible for the KKE to rally hundreds of thousands of people in Greece, with the line of class struggle, if the party is sectarian? How is it possible, for example, for the All-workers’ Militant Front (PAME) to rally dozens of first-level trade unions, sectoral federations, and labour centres which represent hundreds of thousands of workers?

We should note here that PAME, as the class-oriented pole in the labour and trade union movement rallies 8 sectoral federations, 13 labour centres, hundreds of first-level and sectoral unions, with 850,000 members. In addition, PAME also operates in trade unions where the class-oriented forces are not in the majority. For example, PAME is the second force in a series of sectoral federations (such as the federation in the tourist and catering sector and the Metalworkers’ Federation) as well as in the country’s two largest labour centres (Athens and Thessalonica).

How is it possible for the Panhellenic Anti-monopoly rally of the self-employed (PASEVE) to organize thousands of self-employed people, who understand the need to come into conflict with the monopolies? How is it possible for thousands of poor farmers, through their farmer’s associations and their committees, to be inspired by the struggle of the All-farmers Militant Rally (PASY) against the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy? How is it possible for women and thousands of students, who belong to the working class and popular strata to enter the struggle in the framework of the demands and the initiatives of the Federation of Greek Women (OGE) and the Students’ Front of Struggle (MAS)? The members and cadres of the KKE play a leading role in all these socio-political organizations without hiding their identity.

They accuse the KKE of being “isolated”, or even “dogmatic” and “sectarian” due to its rejection of a “left government” or due to the fact that its percentage in the elections does not increase as fast as that of the social-democratic formation of SYRIZA. These accusations against the KKE do not stick. We should remember that 2,5 years ago PASOK, the other social-democratic party, received 44% while this time it received just 13%. This decline, which took place in conditions of political fluidity boosted SYRIZA, its closest ideological relation. Even more so as a revolutionary communist party, like the KKE, is not judged exclusively by its percentage in elections.


Our party has accumulated immense historical experience regarding the policy of cooperation! It led the anti-fascist struggle of a large armed front that made an enormous contribution to the people’s struggle. Nevertheless, in that period the party did not manage to form a strategy for the transformation of the antifascist struggle to a struggle for the overthrow of bourgeois power. During the 1950’s and 1980’s the KKE formed “left” alliances. The KKE has drawn valuable conclusions from its experience regarding the policy of alliances and it does not intend to repeat similar mistakes.
Post 26 May 2012, 18:30
Loz wrote:
Yes.
The article clearly says that SYRIZA is an expositure of imperialism set up in order to break up the Greek people's struggle for socialism and communism.


Because a article says it we should take the opinion at 100% fact?
Loz
Post 26 May 2012, 18:36
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Because a article says it we should take the opinion at 100% fact?

No, because SYRIZA has stated that it wants Greece in the EU and NATO.
Post 26 May 2012, 20:23
No, the KKE has nothing to lose from allying with SYRIZA and is a useful ally against the right and the situation is different to the social democratic-communist conflict during the interwar years, when parties such as the SPD sided with the Freikorps against the communists, thus giving the KPD reason to mistrust them.

However if SYRIZA reneges on its policies, then it should drop its support and oppose them, hoping to capitalise on the voters' disappointment and disillusionment.
Post 27 May 2012, 11:33
The aim of any revolutionary isn't to struggle against "the right", but to make a revolution. If the situation is revolutionary, the revolution can't be postponed. Entering SYRIZA's government would be like entering Kerensky's government.

This statement is maybe the most important one:


Our party has accumulated immense historical experience regarding the policy of cooperation! It led the anti-fascist struggle of a large armed front that made an enormous contribution to the people’s struggle. Nevertheless, in that period the party did not manage to form a strategy for the transformation of the antifascist struggle to a struggle for the overthrow of bourgeois power. During the 1950’s and 1980’s the KKE formed “left” alliances. The KKE has drawn valuable conclusions from its experience regarding the policy of alliances and it does not intend to repeat similar mistakes.
Post 27 May 2012, 12:39
Pressure to make an alliance must be huge. I respect the KKE for not abandoning revolution and for continuing to fight for the interests of the proletarians.

OP-Bagration wrote:
The aim of any revolutionary isn't to struggle against "the right", but to make a revolution.

This. There is no compromise.
Post 29 May 2012, 05:06
Voted yes. Not much to add to what Loz and OP wrote. Oddly enough ~80% of those who voted, voted no.
Post 29 May 2012, 14:12
No. The tactic of the KKE goes directly against the theses of te 4th comintern congress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_front
Post 29 May 2012, 20:46
I don't think so, this is quite the contrary. You have more or less two tactics before WWII : The United Front (class against class) and the Popular Front. The idea in the United Front is that you must gather the workers on a class basis, no matter who they support, if they are revolutionary or not. So you you can make it in the workers unions, with the basis of the political parties. But there is no possibility of union at the top. So I would say that the KKE is on this "class against class" strategy, while the French CP would support some kind of Popular Font, even though this isn't exactly the same.
Post 30 May 2012, 06:23
The KKE strategy are absolutely correct.

And it is totally in line with the United Front strategy of KomIntern and Dimitrov.

The political-social alliance in Greece have developed for many years and continues to grow. It is an antiimperialist antimonopoly alliance for peoples power and socialism which evolves in extreme tough conditions for class-struggle in Greece.
It consist of the working class, the working people and the broad stratas of the people. Some main players in this alliance, this front, is the trade-unionist in PAME, the small and medium-sized farmers in PASY, the self-employed and small tradesmen in PASEVE, the students in MAS, you also got the Womens Federation, Peoples Comittees formed in the neighbourhoods.

It is lead by KKE, with KNE alongside them.


The question of SYRIZA and the so-called "left unity", "left government" etc are answered quite clearly by the KKE in their latest statement , which can be fouind in English. I quote the two most important sections(relating to this discussion), "On SYRIZA" and "The illusion of “unity of the left” and the lie of the “left government” ".

The link to the whole article is on the bottom of this post........

On SYRIZA


Certain international bourgeois media, presenting SYRIZA as the “winner” of the May 6th elections, did not explore beyond its title: “Coalition of the Radical Left” and came to the conclusion that it is a radical left or even communist party. Of course this has no basis in reality. The central force within SYRIZA is the party “Coalition of the Left” (SYN), which has a social-democratic programme. In 1992 it voted for the Maastricht treaty in the Greek Parliament and is a supporter of the imperialist European Union, which it believes can be improved. It joined the anti-communist campaign against the USSR and the other socialist countries we knew in the 20th century. SYN is a member of the Presidium of the so-called “European Left Party” (ELP), which is an instrument of the EU to eradicate the communist characteristics of the CPs in the EU countries.

Together with SYN there are forces that entered SYRIZA from the Social-democratic PASOK, as well as various smaller ultra-left groups of a Trotskyist hue, and mutated former “maoist” groups, which add political “spice” to the basically social-democratic and anti-communist “meal”. A basic goal of this particular formation is the reduction of the electoral, trade union and more general political influence of the KKE, Thus, there are numerous examples over the last decade of the anti-KKE character of this political formation. In dozens of trade unions, sectoral federations and labour centres (local trade union councils), the forces of SYRIZA cooperate and form electoral alliances with PASOK forces in order to impede the election of communist delegates to the higher trade union bodies. SYRIZA is the sworn enemy of the All-workers Militant Front (PAME) which is a rally of class-oriented trade unions. SYRIZA’s forces openly collaborate with government and employer-led forces in the leading bodies of the compromised trade union confederations in the private (GSEE) and public sector (ADEDY). In many instances they have a similar stance in local elections. A particularly characteristic example was the stance in the municipal elections of 2010 in Ikaria. The KKE possesses significant electoral influence on this island, which was a former place of exile for communists. In the 2010 elections SYRIZA collaborated with the social-democratic PASOK, the liberal ND and the nationalist LAOS so that the island would not elect a communist mayor. Then the KKE’s candidate received 49.5% of the votes and the municipality was won by the anti-KKE alliance by a few hundred votes.

Today SYRIZA is trying to attack the KKE with proposals of political expediency regarding the so-called “unity of the left”, in an attempt for the KKE to erase whole sections of its programme, to abandon its principles and to accept the policy of managing the capitalist system, which is proposed by SYRIZA.

Based on this, the least we could say is that the stance of certain CPs was not responsible, which rushed to salute the electoral rise of this opportunist and anti-communist formation in the name of the electoral increase of the “left”, without knowing the real situation in Greece. They saluted a sworn enemy of the KKE, an enemy whose participation in a coalition government of the supporters of the EU has been proposed by the president of the Greek industrialists.

The illusion of “unity of the left” and the lie of the “left government”.


Many politicized workers, from various countries in Europe and the world, pose this question: Why does the KKE not make some compromises? Why does it insist on its political line for the rallying of social forces, which want to struggle against the monopolies, against capitalism, against the imperialist unions, for people’s working class power and does not support the political line of “unity of the left”, the struggle to correct capitalist reality, and the EU, with political and/or governmental collaboration with other “left” and social-democratic forces, as other CPs in Europe have done?

To begin with, The KKE has for some time now clarified that the meanings “left” and “right” are not terms that reflect today’s political situation. The term “Left” today could be used to describe the GS of NATO or the Prime Minister of a country who is conducting an imperialist war and is carrying out anti-worker and anti-people measures at the expense of the workers in his country. The Communist Party is not simply a “left party”, but the party which struggles for the overthrow of capitalism, the construction of the new socialist-communist society. It is this path, this line of struggle that can bring about gains and not the reverse!

As history has demonstrated, reforms, the struggle to “correct” the capitalist system, to blunt the most extreme anti-people measures, which is what the opportunist-social-democratic forces focus on, have never led to the overthrow of capitalism anywhere. On the contrary! On many occasions this approach has led to the consolidation of capitalism, through the creation of illusions amongst millions of workers, that capitalism can be allegedly humanized; that today the European Central Bank can be transformed from a tool of capitalism into… a charitable organization which will hand out interest-free loans or that the European Union, can be transformed from a union which serves capital into a “union of the peoples”, as SYN/SYRIZA and the ELP claim.

This is the reason why the KKE promotes its political proposal in a comprehensive fashion, which it specialized for the elections on the 6th of May in the slogan: “ Out of the EU, with people’s power and the unilateral cancellation of the debt.”

In this sense, the KKE remains consistently oriented to Marxism-Leninism. As Lenin wrote: “The proletariat is fighting, and will continue to fight, to destroy the old regime. Towards this end it will direct all its propaganda and agitation, and all its efforts to organise and mobilise the masses. If it fails to destroy the old regime completely, it will take advantage even of its partial destruction. But it will never advocate partial destruction, depict this in rosy colours, or call upon the people to support it. Real support in a genuine struggle is given to those who strive for the maximum (achieving something less in the event of failure) and not to those who opportunistically curtail the aims of the struggle before the fight.”[2]

The KKE has rejected the idea of forming a “left government”, which will keep Greece in the EU and NATO and the capitalist relations of production untouched, and which will allegedly be able to implement a pro-people management of the system. Our party is struggling for the development of the class struggle, the political consciousness of the workers, their liberation from the influence of the bourgeois parties and ideological constructs and for the formation of a social alliance, which will defend the interests of the workers and will also seek to extricate the country from imperialist interventions, and will also pose the question of power.

LINK:

http://inter.kke.gr/News/news2012/2012-05-23-arthro
Post 30 May 2012, 11:31
Dimitrov was well-known for the Popular Front strategy, not the United Front.
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