Group of Russia's officials demand to try Gorbachev

Dagoth Ur wrote:

Which he was a critical part of. Gorbachev positioned liberals all over soviet leadership so that his western friends would hail him as some champion of capitalism and invite him to all the big bourgeoisie parties.

I don't think anybody is disputing that Gorbachev was a nasty capitalist roader... The problem is I'm not sure you can actually try somebody for being a capitalist roader in bourgeois Russia. And trying Gorby for the breakup of the Soviet Union specifically doesn't look very promising, either, considering it was since-dead Yeltsin that liquidated the Soviet Union by actually breaking Russia off from it.

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I don't think anybody is disputing that Gorbachev was a nasty capitalist roader... The problem is I'm not sure you can actually try somebody for being a capitalist roader in bourgeois Russia. And trying Gorby for the breakup of the Soviet Union specifically doesn't look very promising, either, considering it was since-dead Yeltsin that liquidated the Soviet Union by actually breaking Russia off from it.

That is a good point. He probabley won't be tried, or if he is, the case will be dismissed. Then again Gorbachev's popularity in Russia is at an all time low so it may happen for that reason. Morally and Ethically he guilty of grave crimes such as treason, aiding the enemy, unconstitutionality and the ruining of millions of people's lives. He went against all the principals the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was built upon. He's a social democrate/liberal and not a Communist/Marxist-Leninist. Boris Yeltson was even worse, he was proud to have dissolved the USSR and violated every single law and principal Soviet government was built on.

My fantasy dinner with two dead persons would be sitting with Yeltson and Gorbachev and go after them for both of their crimes.

Eventually, they will both be convicted (likely after Gorbachev is dead too).

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Gorbachev sabotaged the Economy, Logistics and Distribution apparatus with Perestroika and turned the Media from a Socialist Organ into a Hateful Anti Soviet Propoganda System.

He cut the Brakes and Emptied the Fueltank before letting Yeltsin take the Wheel.

The DDR could have been supported, the Nationalist scum in the Baltics could have been crushed, the Last Five Year Plan could have been followed and if all else failed then Gorby should have been given a nice Airbubble via Hypodermic whilst attempting emergency aid when he fell ill on his Holiday.

So true, So true. If Gorbachev was a true Marxist-Leninist he would have supported the Eastern Bloc and would have executed the treasonous Yeltson. I wish a coup of true Marxist-Leninist had taken over and executed the two counter-revolutionaries. The USSR had been revisionist for a long time but I believe it could have been moved in the right direction untill the very minute it collasped on December 26, 1991. The Imperialists greatest Christmas Present.

By 1993 there was already massive protests calling for Revolution, the overthrow of Yeltson, and the return of the Soviet Union/Marxism-Leninism. Just give the Soviet people 21 months of Capitalism and they already missed the old system! In 1996 a majority of people voted Gannady Zyuganov, leader of the Communist Party, to be the Russian President. Of coarse Yeltson faked the election results.

Gorbachev was purely lunatic about western style democracy and governance , his thought of domain is quote " only western style system can bring change in a vast country like soviet ". Western democracy is just a spectacle in front of the people , managed by greedy bankers and their filthy lobbyist. People by definition is always capitalist down from the copper ages,when human being just began trading in a barter system. May be buying a human slave is just a high end commodity during middle ages, like buying iPhone 6s in 2015 , slave traders of that time, made lot of money like iPhone vendors of today's. I am from India and western democracy is just some sort of non nonsense to me, its only purpose is to colonize and exploit third world country like India through multiple corporations . This hegemony is ending , as country like china or middle eastern countries showed that , capitalism cam survive with or with western style interpretation. Deng Xiaping was not a illusionist like Gorbachev ,instead he focused the energy of his countrymen to trade and entrepreneurship. yes china is taking over the world economy, USA do not have foreseeable chance. our new prime minister Mr Modi did not allow retailer like wall mart , why? we do not believe in western spectacle, wall mart spend million on lobbying for India entry , but could not get access, so it is clear whether congress or bjp, we are not fool like "Gorvi the fake " , our leader ship will do what ever is good for the country. Like India ,soviet union was a complex country of different nationalities, where some power need to be centralized for nation building , stability. how can people of USSR could elect a person like Gorbachev in the highest position of USSR , after death of Yuri Andropov. Gorbachev is a illusionist and Yeltsin is a drunk. AND FOR MR GORBACHEV'S INFORMATION, THE DEBT OF USA IS IN WORSE SHAPE THAN USSR IN 1990'S, THEN WHY USA IS NOT DISSOLVING LIKE USSR?THE ANSWER IS GORBACHEV IS A NUISANCE , HE SHOULD BE KICKED OUT OF RUSSIA, WHY THE RUSSIAN STATE IS SPENDING MONEY ON HIS SECURITY, HE IS A FAN OF WEST, LET WEST GIVE HIM SECURITY.

Trace Gorbachev's, Yeltsin's and Putin's genealogy. Jews! BDS! It's a conspiracy! that nobody ever imagined until you stumble upon their files in _____ intelligence agency! Just like members of the Communist Party of _______ who stomp their feet when I am in attendance.

lev wrote:

Trace Gorbachev's, Yeltsin's and Putin's genealogy. Jews! BDS! It's a conspiracy! that nobody ever imagined until you stumble upon their files in _____ intelligence agency!

Just like members of the Communist Party of _______ who stomp their feet when I am in attendance.

Not hardly . You have shown no evidence of this. And as has oft been said "anti-Semitism is the socialism of fools ." Plus , by the way , Lenin himself had some degree of Jewish ancestry http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/24/vladimir-lenin-jewish-roots-moscow-museum_n_866098.html .

I have researchers who trace the genealogy of Jews, full, half, quarter blooded. Once a Jew will always be a Jew. Their loyalties are to Israel. They're very very flexible. Socialists at heart, capitalists in face. They (researchers) clandestinely meet me at bus shelters and coffee shops. They use metaphors. Mississauga Library is full of my researchers. Dispatch your men and women and you will see them tracing genealogies of Jews. Why did Putin kill his GRU general. I don't give a damn for the scandalous repercussions of my discoveries. It is true. It is a valid fact. And I have no other intention but to give a clear picture of events and the underlying reasons for it. Modern day communist parties are riddled with Jews. Want to bet 200 thousand Canadian dollars? My last. By the way, Jewish Lenin started as a moderate agent of influence conniving with Okranian agent Jewish Trotsky. See how they hated hardliner Stalin. What will you do if unexpectedly Canada or America becomes communist and you are or I am a "social democrat" Jew like Lenin and Trotsky? No other way but to ride on baby. Communist! I am communist Stalinist! Go spy the land-Israel, Bible. No wonder they deserve the role of spy. I am not a Jew. I am a Muslim. Sometimes bigoted

Personally, I think it is deeply hurtful and wrong to attack an entire group of people for the actions of a few. I know what it feels like when I am blamed for slavery and killing unarmed black children just because I share a light skin tone with the perpetrators. This is very troubling and sad. People need to realize that people who belong to the same demographic are not an extension of each other. A crime against one black person is not a crime against all, and a condemnation on one white person is not a condemnation against all. Collectivism. Racialism is collectivism. But it's a competing form of collectivism. It threatens communist cohesion and the one true collectivism.

I will be the first to admit that anyone who gives their loyalty to a country, ethnicity, or religion before giving it to communism and the people's cause are a problem. This can include Jews or anyone. But a person is not a problem just because they are a Jew because not all Jews are like that at all.

Lev is a nice guy. I'm sure he'll understand eventually.

Statist81 wrote:

Personally, I think it is deeply hurtful and wrong to attack an entire group of people for the actions of a few.

Agreed completely, and if he attacks an entire group of people, especially when he has zero evidence, he is not a nice guy -he is a douche. Soviet Jews contributed more than their fair share to the construction of the Soviet state (I'll make a post on that later). As for its destruction, that was, as much as modern-day Russian anti-Semites might lament, an almost purely Russian affair. Like RedGreek and Klasswar pointed out, it was the RSFSR's leadership that ended up 'declaring independence' from the USSR, first and foremost. As for Gorbachev, he began his attempts to reform the country into a social democratic capitalist state with the help of mostly Russian advisers -Alexander Yakovlev chief among them. The latter was, it turns out, a self-hating Russian, ostensibly for the Russian people's 'slave mentality'.

I was after the Jews who in bad faith caused the destruction of the USSR. Nothing against communist Jews who propagate socialism in good faith. I just 'apologized for no reason' just to keep my membership because of eagerness to post socialist ideas.