Mabool wrote:Well maybe there would have been less rapes if the Red Army had conducted revolution together with the population instead of acting like just another nasty invader.
'Conducted revolution together with them'? The Soviet military authorities in occupied territories were specifically ordered not to interfere in domestic politics except in the rooting out of fascists and quislings. This was done for a very specific reason: to assuage fears that the Soviets were going to bring with them an illegitimate 'socialism via soldiers' bayonets'. Also, excuse me, but in an era of modern warfare, a 'revolutionary people's militia' would have been crushed by the Nazi war machine.
Also, how dare you talk about people who saved humanity from enslavement and extermination as 'undigested peasant masses'? Your radical hatred for Stalin and Stalinism seems to have turned into hatred of Russia and Russians, since they made up the bulk of these 'undigested peasant masses' who liberated Europe. These peasant masses, through their victory, paved the way for society-wide education initiatives that turned the Soviet Union into one of the best-educated societies in the world, all in the course of a single generation. Excuse me if in order to get there they first had to win a civil war, stabilize the country, industrialize, win a war, and rebuild from said war. What you seem to be demanding -an American-educated and cultured Soviet peasant, is physically impossible.
Your tone here is just unbelievably insulting to me personally, Mabool, considering my grandparents were themselves a part of these 'unwashed peasants' whose children became university and college educated professionals.
Loz wrote:BTW my grandma remembers Russian soldiers ( those were Vlassov's quislings but from what i've heard and read the Red Army wasn't much better behaved ) who were stationed in their village and they were genuine barbarians.
That's quite a leap of logic to compare Vlassov quislings to Red Army soldiers, no?
I don't think Russians deny instances of rape; what they deny and get indignant about is the systemic Cold War propaganda based on the Nazi propaganda playbook about unwashed hordes of barbarians from the East coming to violate our pure European women on some fantastical and unprecedented scale.