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Post 03 Sep 2005, 19:01
http://english.pobediteli.ru/

You can click on the Flash presentation to show you the complete story of the Eastern Front. This is done for the memory and celeberation of 60 years since The War.
Post 03 Sep 2005, 20:29
Nice project....

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complete story


Unfortunately, no.
Post 03 Sep 2005, 23:50
That was pretty good. I have always liked documents/projects like that.
Post 04 Sep 2005, 00:04
I've seen that before (while it was still only in Russian), but thanks for posting it here anyway so that others may see it. I think it is the best multimedia presentation that I have ever seen. The way it combines photographs, movies, interviews, and information is second to none, in my opinion. I also like how it moves in time so that the little arrows and tanks move as time progresses.
Post 04 Sep 2005, 07:00
Its shows you that Moscow was the first place that the germans showed signs of weakening.
Post 06 Sep 2005, 08:58
Nice..
Post 06 Sep 2005, 12:13
Very nice...chock-a-block in detail for an internet site.
Post 25 Sep 2005, 13:52
Unfortunately, that is historically bit inaccurate.

Ect.

June 26. Finland declares war on USSR.

For some reason, you can't find a word about the Soviet bombings agaisnt Finnish cities one day earlier.

Im not saying that its all bad. Many parts are very good. But the viewer of this multimedia is somewhat mislead, seeing ect the June 1941 events unfold between Germany and the Soviet Union for a number of days, with nothing happening on the Finnish-Soviet border. Suddenly, a window with Mannerheim appears, saying Finland declares war.

There should be few of those red animated bombers making air raids against several Finnish cities before the appearance of the window about the Finnish declaration of war.

Nonetheless, the people who made this deserve credit.
Post 25 Sep 2005, 18:59
Yes perhaps there should have been a word in that regard. But it was true that the Germans already had troops in Finland at the time, and that they were considered allies.
Post 25 Sep 2005, 19:39
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the Germans already had troops in Finland


Yes, but the presence of German troops in Finland does not justify such attack. If Finnish troops had crossed Soviet border with Germans when Barbarossa started it would have been a difrent thing.

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that they were considered allies.


Yes, Soviet Union "considered" Finland as an ally of Germany.

And as I said:

Nonetheless, the people who made this deserve credit.
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Post 03 Mar 2006, 04:43
Hey! Everyone from Great Patriotic War thread can continue their conversation here!
Post 06 Mar 2006, 06:10
Does anyone know the Red Army Choir song that plays in the beginning of the credits?
Post 06 Mar 2006, 10:51
Victory Day or something like that.
Post 06 Mar 2006, 11:29
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Victory Day or something like that.


Can't seem to find it under that title... Any more guesses?
Post 06 Mar 2006, 13:26
Nope, but the song was performed at the end of last year's victory parade is Moscow.
Post 06 Mar 2006, 13:49
Crap. I must have the song!
Post 06 Mar 2006, 14:50
preface: Since the flash presentation, which is viasually great, but it lacks few things conserning the start of the war between Finland.

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But the viewer of this multimedia is somewhat mislead, seeing ect the June 1941 events unfold between Germany and the Soviet Union for a number of days, with nothing happening on the Finnish-Soviet border. Suddenly, a window with Mannerheim appears, saying Finland declares war.

There should be few of those red animated bombers making air raids against several Finnish cities before the appearance of the window about the Finnish declaration of war.


Anyway as you know the operation barbadossa started with massive bombing campaingns against SU. Germans used the Finnish airfields to refuel and to reach their bombings further to SU. And before any declaration of war Finnish and German NAVY mined international and SU areal waters, this hapened before any bombings happened to Finland. So the war between Finland and SU started before the declaration of war, the flash presenttion is somewhat inaccurate on that subject.

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Yes, Soviet Union "considered" Finland as an ally of Germany


Yes and Finland considered itself as ally of Germany. For example when operation barbadossa was designed that the Finland was part of it. When German revealed it plans to attack SU, Finland started preparations for war in winter 1940, for example building roads which were essential for attacking SU. Allso information gathering about SU was made in cooperation with Germany.
Post 06 Mar 2006, 15:37
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Germans used the Finnish airfields to refuel and to reach their bombings further to SU.


That does not give Soviet Union right to bomb Finland. No Finnish plane took part in the bombings. Finland had given Germany right to use her territory for troop movement and such, so had Sweden. Does that mean that Soviet Union would have had the right to bomb Stockholm?

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And before any declaration of war Finnish and German NAVY mined international and SU areal waters


Finland did not mine international waters, only Finnish and Estonian. Mining of the coastal waters of Estonia was a safety measure to protect Finnish shipping in case of Soviet agression.

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So the war between Finland and SU started before the declaration of war


There was no war between Soviet Union and Finland before June 25. 1941 when Soviet bombers bomb several Finnish cities without declaration of war. On June 26, Finnish goverment declared war on Soviet Union.

Finnish parliament in meeting on June 26.

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The minings were nothing compared to what Soviet Union had done before the start of the war. Soviet Union broke the peace signed in 1940 occasionally. For example, on June 14. 1940, fighters of Soviet Air Force shot down unarmed passenger plane Kaleva over the Gulf Of Finland, killing everyone onboard.

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Yes and Finland considered itself as ally of Germany


False.

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Finland started preparations for war in winter 1940


Yes, so what? That was defensive. The future policies of Soviet Union toward Finland were unclear and it was possible that a new war would start in the future.

President Risto Ryti had made a clear message to Germans: Finland would not go to war agaisn't Soviet Union unless Finland is attacked first.
Post 06 Mar 2006, 16:48
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Germans used the Finnish airfields to refuel and to reach their bombings further to SU.



That does not give Soviet Union right to bomb Finland. No Finnish plane took part in the bombings. Finland had given Germany right to use her territory for troop movement and such, so had Sweden. Does that mean that Soviet Union would have had the right to bomb Stockholm?


First of yes it does. Using Finnish airfields to bomb SU does give SU right to bomb Finland. Second of all Sweden is completely different thing than Finland. Sweden didn´t give permission to use their airfields to use to bomb SU.


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And before any declaration of war Finnish and German NAVY mined international and SU areal waters


Finland did not mine international waters, only Finnish and Estonian. Mining of the coastal waters of Estonia was a safety measure to protect Finnish shipping in case of Soviet agression.


Actually the point of mining was part of operation bardossa to block SU to use Gulf of Finland, that had nothing to do with Finlands safety. That was act of for and Finland was part of that plan. Finland and Germany were allies and they attacked SU.

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The minings were nothing compared to what Soviet Union had done before the start of the war. Soviet Union broke the peace signed in 1940 occasionally. For example, on June 14. 1940, fighters of Soviet Air Force shot down unarmed passenger plane Kaleva over the Gulf Of Finland, killing everyone onboard.


Yes that is true. Then again Finland was making all the time illegal intelligence trips to SU, do you remember what was Opearation Stella Polaris and what kind of imformation was smuggled to Sweden and sold to CIA and other intellegence agencies? The shooting of kaleva was mistake, but after all it was filled with diplomats and probably with sensitive intelligence material, it wasn´t a "passenger" plane.

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Yes and Finland considered itself as ally of Germany


False.


How so? I mean after the war Finland did denounce the Germany but during the war we were defacto allies of Germany. After the war this thing has been downplayed and denounced in Finland for oblivious reasons.

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Finland started preparations for war in winter 1940

Yes, so what? That was defensive. The future policies of Soviet Union toward Finland were unclear and it was possible that a new war would start in the future.


Defensive ??
You must be joking. Finland attacked SU, SU didn´t attack Finland.

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President Risto Ryti had made a clear message to Germans: Finland would not go to war agaisn't Soviet Union unless Finland is attacked first


Too bad that Finland attacked first. By mining SU areal waters and helping bombing their cities.
Post 06 Mar 2006, 17:01
You are showing your knowledge of history.

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First of yes it does. Using Finnish airfields to bomb SU does give SU right to bomb Finland


According to what?

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Second of all Sweden is completely different thing than Finland.


No, it is not. Sweden, like Finland, had given Germany right to move troops trough the country and much of these troops were going in and out of Eastern Front. So, according to your logic Soviet Union would have had the right to bomb Sweden.

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Finland and Germany were allies and they attacked SU


They were not. Finland was co-belligent with Germany after Soviet Union attacked her.

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Actually the point of mining was part of operation bardossa to block SU to use Gulf of Finland


The mines were layed to protect Finnish shipping in case of Soviet agression. After Soviet attack more mining work was done.

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Then again Finland was making all the time illegal intelligence trips to SU,


Name these operations.

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do you remember what was Opearation Stella Polaris and what kind of imformation was smuggled to Sweden


How is something that happened after the end of war relevant to this?

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the shooting of kaleva was mistake


Really?
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After the war this thing has been downplayed and denounced in Finland for oblivious reasons.


Truly?

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Finland attacked SU, SU didn´t attack Finland.


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Too bad that Finland attacked first.


This is getting quite amusing. You clearly have little idea of what you are talking about.
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