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Yugoslavia's Hoxha vs. Albania's Hoxha

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Post 12 Jun 2016, 22:44
I'll side with Yugoslavian Hoxha anytime, epsecially when Mr.Hoxha of Albania is concerned
https://espressostalinist.com/2011/02/1 ... ias-hoxha/
Post 13 Jun 2016, 04:56
I've already testified in public here about my dislike of Turks and the Orthodox Church.

It's time for you to do the same about Albanians.

I'd like to know why you single them out for continued abuse. What have they done?
Post 15 Jun 2016, 15:45
Putting aside the sympathies and antipathies of individual forum members what EdvardK linked just show how difficult was it to build and maintain socialism under the conditions prevailing in the Balkans for problems relating to various national issues were always it seems casting their shadow on both internal as well as external relations of Balkan socialist countries – not only there of course, socialist countries anywhere were not completely free of those, but particular there i.e. in the Balkans.
Loz
Post 23 Jun 2016, 02:52
It was Stalin who shut down the project of a Balkan Federation ( Yugosl. + Albania + Bulgaria + Greece if communists would won the war ) because it would mess up his plans with Churchill ( ie. the "percentage agreement" ).
Post 23 Jun 2016, 03:31
Loz wrote:
It was Stalin who shut down the project of a Balkan Federation ( Yugosl. + Albania + Bulgaria + Greece if communists would won the war ) because it would mess up his plans with Churchill ( ie. the "percentage agreement" ).


Is this a matter of public record? Could I find this anywhere online or perhaps in the works of Tito or Djilas? This is a subject I'd like to know more about. The idea of what amounts to a "Socialist East Roman Empire" is pretty astounding.
Loz
Post 24 Jun 2016, 03:17
The percentage agreement is a known fact at least in ex-Yugoslavia, as well as the plans for a Balkan Federation.
Dunno any other specific English-language sources on all this though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentages_agreement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Federation

As for the Federation, the Bulgarians were up for it and there were serious plans being made before Stalin said no ( since Tito and Yugoslavia would obviously have the main role in the whole thing ), the Albanians were less enthusiastic but would have supported it, and obviously the Greek communists would have gone for it as well had they not lost the war ( because of siding with Stalin against Tito, among other things ). Dunno about Romania, maybe they would have joined it as well.

IMO, the whole project would have probably failed in the end but still.
Post 28 Jun 2016, 19:50
Comrade Gulper wrote:
I'd like to know why you single them out for continued abuse. What have they done?

I merely mentioned the brave Mr.Hoxha from Yugoslavia as being my favourite Hoxha of all time. I did not mention any nationalities at all.
You guys are always admiring Stlain and that other HOxha, so what is so wrong when I express my admiration of Mr.Hoxha of Yugoslavia?
Post 29 Jun 2016, 00:30
I know nothing about the Yugo Hoxha. I'm about 50/50 these days with Stalin, and pretty much anti-Enver.

But you've made more than your share of negative comments concerning Albanians, with or without reference to Enver.

Admittedly, I'm not one to talk. I've stated my reasons for seriously disliking the entire concept of Turks. But I've come clean about it.

Will you do the same about the Albanians? I've never thought much about them, one way or the other. They're about the most meh nationality on Earth. Why single them out for especial dislike?
Post 29 Jun 2016, 00:39
I am opposed to Danes. Fragging barbarian-descended kringle-eating MoonPie-faced heathens named Bjorn.

No, not seriously. The above just demonstrates my severe inability to understand disliking an entire ethnic group because reasons.
Post 29 Jun 2016, 03:39
MissStrangelove wrote:
The above just demonstrates my severe inability to understand disliking an entire ethnic group because reasons.

The Albanians are sort of the Cleveland Browns of the genetic pool. Won a championship 9,000 years ago, and haven't had much of any distinction ever since. That's why it's so hard to understand why anyone dislikes them. They're Greece's red headed "extra" relation and Italy's historic bitch.

The Turks, on the other hand, are generally vile. From the 1453 land theft to the 1915 massacre of Armenians to "Midnight Express" to the recent spate of Erdogan led fraggery, it's hard to picture a more loathsome bunch.
Loz
Post 30 Jun 2016, 06:22
Hoxha(ism) and bunkers became a meme on leftist imageboards for some reason.

But all of it was literally unknown even in Yugoslavia ( and i assume Greece as well, doubt anyone else but maybe the Chinese even cared about it ), there were only 2-3 books on travels and life in contemporary Albania published in Yugoslavia. It achieved a minor presence in Western Europe and some 3rd world countries, with those parties pretty much dying after 1990.
Post 30 Jun 2016, 07:30
Here in America, the most famous Albanian is still John Belushi.
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