What is the "Permanent revolution" theory ?

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There is different tendencies in fascism : Nazism, Petainism, Doriotism, Franquism and so on. It seems you have a lot to learn about it.

Great, I try to defend someone from unjust accusations of fascism and "spread[ing] venom," and all I get is someone lecturing at me and being condescending. Why do I even bother coming here?

I admit that my knowledge of fascism is not as extensive as it should be, since I am a Chinese-born university student in the United States. Having been born in China - which was the victim of capitalist and imperialist aggression, though not of an outright fascist movement (Imperial Japan bore characteristics of fascist states, but it is not always recognized as such) - and currently living in a country that has not actually dealt with the scourge of fascism on our continent to the same extent as in Europe, the thorough exploration of fascism has never been truly a part of any academic curriculum that I have been put through. That I do not live in a country with National Bolshevik movements/groups certain hinders my ability to fully understand what the NBs stand for.

Nevertheless, I am well aware of the various strains of fascist movements: Nazism, Franquism of Spain's Francisco Franco, and the Petainism of the Vichy regime, out of the ones you you listed, and I am also vaguely familiar with the clerical-fascism of Austria, and the Iron Guard of Romania, just to name a few others. As such, I am well aware that many fascist movements indeed are both nationalistic and also anti-capitalist, and giving off the impression of being socialist as a result. One such example is the Nazi Party, which called itself "National Socialist" and even espoused socialist-sounding messages in their party program, despite being vehemently opposed to Marxism and all forms of leftist thought. A very irritating thing that happened was when a fellow student said that the NSDAP Party Program sounded like "socialism for Germans," which is made even more irritating that said student is from the former USSR and should know a bit about socialism to know that what the Nazis were certainly not socialist in the least. They were anti-capitalist, yes, but socialist, no - not that any of it matters, since the Nazis made an alliance with the bourgeoisie and military aristocracy and basically became friends with the military-industrial complex and instead became fixated on aggressive nationalistic imperialism and the acquisition of Lebensraum. I'm sure you know all of this, but I just wanted to let you know that I am aware of these things and am not as ignorant as you might believe.

In the context here, I was pointing to the fact that Moris here is very much against fascism and supportive of the leftist cause, and that despite the negative connotations that come with "National Bolshevism," NB is not even a homogeneous movement. Wikipedia is not the most reliable source, of course, but the current versions of the articles document some of the activities and splits within the NB groups, including anti-right/anti-fascist activities that they participate in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevik_Party

Wikipedia article on the National Bolshevik Party wrote:

In Latvia NBP is active in anti-capitalist demonstrations and in blockades against SS veterans' parades during Latvian Legion Day.[25]

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In Ukraine, the NBP joined other small parties in signing a Declaration of the Kiev Council of Slav Radical Nationalists in 1996, in an initiative led by the Ukrainian National Assembly.[27] The Ukrainian NBP, which is largely based in the east of the country is active in anti-UPA[28] and anti-NATO[29] demonstrations. During the Orange Revolution the Ukrainian NBP decided not to support Yanukovych or Yushchenko.

Like I said, though, I am not very familiar with National Bolshevism, due to a lack of exposure, but the impression that I have had is that there are aggressive, nationalistic, right-wing elements to them, but also that there are also left-wing nationalists under the same banner.

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You should follow the path of the partisans and continue the fight against fascism. I dont think nazbolism is socialist, whatever they pretend to be. Their name and their logo is absolutely shocking, and this is a great insult to all the men who died to shoot down the beast.

Funny you should mention that. What happened to:

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I was explaining to comrade Kommissar_KW that clothes do not make the man.

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Comrade Maurice ?
He was a sweetheart ! And Tito led the attacks againt our glorious Party in 1947.

stalin. i am currently translating a book written by a former KOS general about that period and i assure you he has good sources.

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Do you mean Tito was also a nazbol ?

one could argue that he was a nationalists since he did unite slavic nations in a federation while at the same time giving other minorities adequate freedom (which they had abolished in 1988 or so).

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I was explaining to comrade Kommissar_KW that clothes do not make the man.

well i was a member of a national party (and at the present i am also a member of it's splinter party) which is technically a copy of russian LDPR (leader of this party is a friend of žirinovski). i joined them because there are lot of titoists in there, albeit very few these days because the leader of the party is a corrupt subhuman trash who abuses tito's legacy for his short-term goals. i still voted for them because supporting these parties are the only ones which actually oppose EU hegemony which is bringing eastern countries to the ground and i certainly dont wish for my small nation to transform into an EU laboratory like it did in 1991!

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Then we are granduncle brothers. You should follow the path of the partisans and continue the fight against fascism. I dont think nazbolism is socialist, whatever they pretend to be. Their name and their logo is absolutely shocking, and this is a great insult to all the men who died to shoot down the beast.

i do follow them and i oppose fascism at every step. the problem is however that janshism-whiteguardism (leading ideology of EVERY centre-right party) is getting stronger. i may not be fighting on a street but i am risking more by, for example, translating that book to weaken this despicable ideology. if i have to i will back centre-left parties we have ("liberal" parties in the parliament we have are following žižek's program he helped to create for them!). now about the nazbol flag, red-white flag you see is their old one and was since replaced with a full-black one as was much of its propaganda they were using during the nineties. the only thing they have in common with fascism is well-organized street-fighting force (although i think it was disbanded already). we need a force here as well when reactionary students will make another protest and stone our parliament and ruin our city in the name of their great leader. plus they would be able to keep italian blackshirts away from our territory, i could write you quite an article about how well fascism is at the border.

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Having been born in China - which was the victim of capitalist and imperialist aggression, though not of an outright fascist movement (Imperial Japan bore characteristics of fascist states, but it is not always recognized as such) - and currently living in a country that has not actually dealt with the scourge of fascism on our continent to the same extent as in Europe,

I don't think so. The Japanese government was quite fascist, and according to Zhu Enlai, the Kuomintang was also a fascist party (On chinese fascism, 1943).

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the thorough exploration of fascism has never been truly a part of any academic curriculum

Be reassured, nor in France

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They were anti-capitalist,

I don't think so. They said to be anti-capitalist, but in fact they were against "liberal" capitalism and developed monopolies. Auschwitz was a very organized firm ! You should see this movie (subtitled in english). A very interesting movie !

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I'm sure you know all of this, but I just wanted to let you know that I am aware of these things and am not as ignorant as you might believe.

I have the vice of provocation. I didn't really thought you were unaware of fascism.

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Funny you should mention that. What happened to:

I don't think it is possible to wear nazi symbols without being a nazi. And even if it was possible, it would still be shocking, whatever their position in the class struggle is.

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stalin. i am currently translating a book written by a former KOS general about that period and i assure you he has good sources.

Why did Hoxha said Tito tried to annex Albania ?

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one could argue that he was a nationalists since he did unite slavic nations in a federation while at the same time giving other minorities adequate freedom (which they had abolished in 1988 or so).

Stalin also wrote a very good book about marxism and national movements, but he was not a "nationalist".

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i still voted for them because supporting these parties are the only ones which actually oppose EU hegemony which is bringing eastern countries to the ground and i certainly dont wish for my small nation to transform into an EU laboratory like it did in 1991!

You don't have any communist organization ?

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the only thing they have in common with fascism is well-organized street-fighting force (although i think it was disbanded already).

On the nazbol website, a book explains that many nazbols were related to left-wing nazis. If the Nazbols are not fascists, why do they still call themselves NAZ-bols ?

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i still voted for them because supporting these parties are the only ones which actually oppose EU hegemony which is bringing eastern countries to the ground and i certainly dont wish for my small nation to transform into an EU laboratory like it did in 1991!

You are right to oppose EU of course. But I hope this is not your only leitmotiv.

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i am currently translating a book written by a former KOS general about that period and i assure you he has good sources.

I would be very interested by the book.

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Why did Hoxha said Tito tried to annex Albania ?

stalin wanted to split albania between yugoslavia and greece. he did so to appease nationalists in yugoslavia to overthrow tito. in 1945-1950 there were still many nationalist movements active. tito didnt do anything to threaten albania. hell, he put hoxha's cousin in charge of CP of kosovo!

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Stalin also wrote a very good book about marxism and national movements, but he was not a "nationalist".

and neither are the NBP. they are in favour of "imperial nationalism" or what i prefer to call old-style nationalism. this doesnt means they want tsar back in power (if you check their program you will see several anti-tsarist posters) however. it means that they are in favour of "nationalism of land" over "etnic nationalism". switzerland for example is a good of what russians call imperial nationalism where all nationalities work together to protect their state from foreign influences (for example there are practically no german or french secessionist movements there which is quite amazing).

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You don't have any communist organization ?

there is this small "communist" party which is led by a guy who ordered a statue of himself to be constructed. screw him and his egoism, no wonder many communists are backing nationalists or soc-dems.

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On the nazbol website, a book explains that many nazbols were related to left-wing nazis. If the Nazbols are not fascists, why do they still call themselves NAZ-bols ?

strasserites you mean? i heard strasserism is very unrelated to hitlerism. where did you see that? i suggest you to read their FAQ here which should answer many of your questions; http://www.nazbol.ru/rubr28/253.html - they oppose idea "russia for russians", stupidity like "immigrants are responsible for crimes" and instead recognize that there is crime because of social inequality.they also explain why their flag is unrelated to nazism.
also, they are not called NAZbols, but NACbols. "naz" is anglicised version of their name.

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You are right to oppose EU of course. But I hope this is not your only leitmotiv.

my main objective is of and will be communism. if EU becomes communist then i will support it. everything is secondary and tertiary.

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stalin wanted to split albania between yugoslavia and greece. he did so to appease nationalists in yugoslavia to overthrow tito. in 1945-1950 there were still many nationalist movements active. tito didnt do anything to threaten albania. hell, he put hoxha's cousin in charge of CP of kosovo!

Tito proposed an unfair trade union to Albania in which Yugoslavia would send finished products and Albania would pay with raw materials.

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and neither are the NBP. they are in favour of "imperial nationalism" or what i prefer to call old-style nationalism. this doesnt means they want tsar back in power (if you check their program you will see several anti-tsarist posters) however. it means that they are in favour of "nationalism of land" over "etnic nationalism". switzerland for example is a good of what russians call imperial nationalism where all nationalities work together to protect their state from foreign influences (for example there are practically no german or french secessionist movements there which is quite amazing).

I don't think it is amazing, because there is many fascists in Switzerland, and they even want to annex a part of France :



Why should there be French or German, or even Italian secessionist movements? The bourgeoisie has no interest to defend a split, because the country is very rich. Not like Belgium. And Switzerland has an old national history. There used to be a civil war, but it was not related to national identities. Anyway, a communist should not sustain any bourgeois nationalist movement and has to fight his own imperialism and his own bourgeoisie, especially in Russia !

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strasserites you mean? i heard strasserism is very unrelated to hitlerism. where did you see that? i suggest you to read their FAQ here which should answer many of your questions; http://www.nazbol.ru/rubr28/253.html - they oppose idea "russia for russians", stupidity like "immigrants are responsible for crimes" and instead recognize that there is crime because of social inequality.they also explain why their flag is unrelated to nazism.
also, they are not called NAZbols, but NACbols. "naz" is anglicised version of their name.

Strasserism may not have been hitlerist, but it was still nazi ! I will try to find my source later, I am not sure it was Strasserism. Anyway, nazbols are like Strasserists without antisemitism (I guess). Thereyou can find a link explaining perfectly my opinion about nazbolism.

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and even the symbol of masonry !! On the right, De Gaulle's call to resist Nazis, the symbol of the Republic (the phrygian) and their big boss, Alain Soral ((he used to be a member of the CP). However, in 2007 E&R joined the National Front, a fascist and racist party.

I was a strong follower of E&R, they are transcourant as in pretty much red-browns who form discussion group on how to resist the new world order. shitload of conspiracy theory. they hate the masons by the way.

the slogan is left on the side of labor, and right for the values. in short, they are anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, anti-multiculturalism, anti-euthanasia communist, they allow their members to be pretty much anything but they usually have something in common, pro-arab foreign policy ( they want to get muslims in their org as they believe they must unite this 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant population as equal french citizens) anti-islamophobia, anti-zionism.

the most disgusting part of this organisation is their homophobia, they are on the same side as the BNP when it comes to homosexuality. they don't want it teached in schools etc.

as for fascism, in quebec there was an example of the duplessis with a strong anti-capitalist rhetoric against the corporations, they were incredibly anti-communist yet they espoused many of their views... only in rhetoric, nazi government are all the same, populist rhetoric with little actual gains for the working class, even if done on the back of another people.

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Tito proposed an unfair trade union to Albania in which Yugoslavia would send finished products and Albania would pay with raw materials.

well the entire problem goes much further than just one agreement. when was this agreement proposed?

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Why should there be French or German, or even Italian secessionist movements? The bourgeoisie has no interest to defend a split, because the country is very rich. Not like Belgium. And Switzerland has an old national history. There used to be a civil war, but it was not related to national identities. Anyway, a communist should not sustain any bourgeois nationalist movement and has to fight his own imperialism and his own bourgeoisie, especially in Russia !

i gave switzerland as a very broad modern example, i dont know much about their national politics, dont take it for something official. i basically had in mind different nationalities working together and identifying themselves as one nation.
i dont support bourgeoisie nationalism you see. i noticed that in west you have only one sort of nationalism, mainly the one led by people like le pen and nick griffin, which targets immigrants and encourages its supporters to throw stones into windows while protesting to show to everyone what great patriots they are. i dont know what's patriotic in this kind of "nationalism". one more interesting fact; what you may consider "far right" party in france is what we consider here "centre-right" party, meaning that le pen would be quite moderate here with his behaviour. we have very weird national politics you have to understand and our definition of nationalism is much wider then in france for example. our president for example is a friend of chavez and he is still not considered "extremist" or something.
what i support is completely erasing artificial ethnic divisions between slavic race created by different dominant nations. i dont support leviathan state, but a common homeland for us. after yugoslavia collapsed for example we were very oftenly used by the western powers as a proxy for their.

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Strasserism may not have been hitlerist, but it was still nazi ! I will try to find my source later, I am not sure it was Strasserism. Anyway, nazbols are like Strasserists without antisemitism (I guess). Thereyou can find a link explaining perfectly my opinion about nazbolism.

absolutely, strasserism is still nazism. that's a purely speculative site with no official relations to the party however. official NBP completely opposes every hitlerite influence, even if it's strasserite. they clearly distance themselves from nazism and strasserism alike on their website.

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I don't think it is amazing, because there is many fascists in Switzerland, and they even want to annex a part of France :

With what justification, if I may ask?