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10 Mar 2012, 08:19
I'm amazed that more people around the World (and unfortunately especially in America) are incapable of noticing, much less their media's even mentioning or printing any of Vladimir Putin's many accomplishments for Russia and many others. They (especially the USA with it's SO-CALLED "Freedom of Press") actually did not print even one iota of the massive and numerous pro-Putin demonstration and on the very rare occasions when they did- it was always prefaced and then followed by opinionated, judgmental yellow journalism with a paragraph if even that. Being of Russian ancestry on one side of my family- I am ashamed of the American media's attempt to strike us back into confrontational, witch hunt mentality McCarthyism. NOT a WORD about: Putin cutting unemployment in half, Putin increasing the once paltry minimum wage EXPONENTIALLY, reducing crime, cutting excess taxes, increasing availability and quality fo health care (something that will NEVER happen in the holier than though- Corporate States of AmeriKKKa) and restoring pride, and self esteem with a huge streamlining, rearming, modernization and massive regrowth of the military forces of Russia and it's now once again more aligned with Moscow-- CIS (FSU) states. The USA HATES that and is intentionally trying to sabotage that through non factual biased disgusting non-reporting and lest ANYONE forget- this whole stand-off began when the US unillateraly put Nuclear ICBM's, hydrogen bombs, etc in Poland and the Baltic's- and NOW act offended and self righteous that Russia stands up for themselves. Long Live the Russian Motherland and our former (and soon to be reunited as the CIS military leaders are all calling for military unification.) Soviet lands. Russia is back and just GET USED TO IT AMERICA! Ken Ilya Hodges
13 Mar 2012, 20:02
Sorry to burst your bubble,but Putin is happy to serve world imperialism. He's bleeding Russia dry,exporting oil and gas while the people are slowly dying out.
It's just that he sometimes has to put on a mask of "patriotism" and so on...demagoguery.
Brazil's economy is stronger than Russia's.
It's not without a reason that Russian communists today hate Putin,always have as a matter of fact.
It's just that he sometimes has to put on a mask of "patriotism" and so on...demagoguery.
Brazil's economy is stronger than Russia's.
It's not without a reason that Russian communists today hate Putin,always have as a matter of fact.
Last edited by Loz on 13 Mar 2012, 22:10, edited 2 times in total.
13 Mar 2012, 20:13
Yeah America sucks but Russia under Putin sounds just as bad, if not worse.
I take it you aren't a communist?
I take it you aren't a communist?
13 Mar 2012, 21:44
Dear Ken,
Unfortunately the reality is that Putin means a stable system of administrative corruption slowly driving the country into the ground. The main difference between the 1990s and the 2000s for Russia is that the chaotic criminal oligarchic system of power has been replaced by a state-bureuacratic and oligarchic system, though their goals and the results of their activity are ultimately the same.
This simple visual tool, based on a discussion by Russian-Armenian political scientist Sergei Kurginyan, describes concisely Putin's role in the preservation of Russia:
Russians truly should appreciate Putin for his work in consolidating Russia and for preventing it from falling apart, which in 2000 was a real possibility. It is also fair to note that tax revenues have gone up considerably from those oligarchs that chose to remain in the country and from partial re-nationalization of some resource industries. Still, oil and gas prices helped tremendously, and this has been something nearly entirely out of the Russian government's ability to control. The reality is that 20 years after the destruction of the USSR, Russia continues to sit on the achievements of the Soviet system. This includes its nuclear shield (which many consider the only reason Russia has been able to avoid invasion over the past 20 years), infrastructure, housing, industry, military tech, and even the oil and gas pipeline infrastructure upon which the country is now so dependent. By choosing to integrate the country with the world market system, Putin has implicitly accepted the fact that Russia's role and so-called 'competitive advantage' is to be a provider of natural resource provider to the world. Today, with the proposed entry into the WTO, the country is in danger of losing whatever's left of agriculture and almost every major non-resource based industry.
When thinking of Putin, instead of merely viewing the personality and public image, you should also be thinking of his long-serving ministers, such as finance minister Alexei Kudrin (only recently removed by Medvedev) who chose to put large amounts of Russian treasury reserves in the US and then borrowed that same money back at a higher interest. Or minister of defense Anatoli Serdukov, a former furniture salesman who has virtually no experience with the military and who has allocated vast amounts towards purchasing foreign weaponry and prepared the army for a massive reduction in manpower and professionalization. Or Andrei Fursenko, whose education reforms, proposed to go into effect this fall, will emphasize Russian language and physical education in the curriculum and make literature, history, and sciences paid optional credits. Then there are the dozens of new oligarchs and personal friends of Putin who have amassed their wealth with the aid of government contracts. In fact the common connection here is that virtually all of these people are friends from Putin's Leningrad days as assistant to liberal mayor Sobchak, the latter one of the main anti-socialist and anti-Soviet personalities during perestroika.
If you want to see Russia with rose-tinted glasses, watch Russia Today. If you want to see lies and bullshit from Western resources, watch and read them. To get the real picture you should stick to Russian sources not connected to the government, and watch and read some political analyses by people like Andrei Fursov, Mikhail Delyagin, Sergei Kurginyan, Maxim Kalashnikov, Alexander Prokhanov, and Mikhail Weller (I'm not sure if you read or understand Russian or not).
Unfortunately the reality is that Putin means a stable system of administrative corruption slowly driving the country into the ground. The main difference between the 1990s and the 2000s for Russia is that the chaotic criminal oligarchic system of power has been replaced by a state-bureuacratic and oligarchic system, though their goals and the results of their activity are ultimately the same.
This simple visual tool, based on a discussion by Russian-Armenian political scientist Sergei Kurginyan, describes concisely Putin's role in the preservation of Russia:
Russians truly should appreciate Putin for his work in consolidating Russia and for preventing it from falling apart, which in 2000 was a real possibility. It is also fair to note that tax revenues have gone up considerably from those oligarchs that chose to remain in the country and from partial re-nationalization of some resource industries. Still, oil and gas prices helped tremendously, and this has been something nearly entirely out of the Russian government's ability to control. The reality is that 20 years after the destruction of the USSR, Russia continues to sit on the achievements of the Soviet system. This includes its nuclear shield (which many consider the only reason Russia has been able to avoid invasion over the past 20 years), infrastructure, housing, industry, military tech, and even the oil and gas pipeline infrastructure upon which the country is now so dependent. By choosing to integrate the country with the world market system, Putin has implicitly accepted the fact that Russia's role and so-called 'competitive advantage' is to be a provider of natural resource provider to the world. Today, with the proposed entry into the WTO, the country is in danger of losing whatever's left of agriculture and almost every major non-resource based industry.
When thinking of Putin, instead of merely viewing the personality and public image, you should also be thinking of his long-serving ministers, such as finance minister Alexei Kudrin (only recently removed by Medvedev) who chose to put large amounts of Russian treasury reserves in the US and then borrowed that same money back at a higher interest. Or minister of defense Anatoli Serdukov, a former furniture salesman who has virtually no experience with the military and who has allocated vast amounts towards purchasing foreign weaponry and prepared the army for a massive reduction in manpower and professionalization. Or Andrei Fursenko, whose education reforms, proposed to go into effect this fall, will emphasize Russian language and physical education in the curriculum and make literature, history, and sciences paid optional credits. Then there are the dozens of new oligarchs and personal friends of Putin who have amassed their wealth with the aid of government contracts. In fact the common connection here is that virtually all of these people are friends from Putin's Leningrad days as assistant to liberal mayor Sobchak, the latter one of the main anti-socialist and anti-Soviet personalities during perestroika.
If you want to see Russia with rose-tinted glasses, watch Russia Today. If you want to see lies and bullshit from Western resources, watch and read them. To get the real picture you should stick to Russian sources not connected to the government, and watch and read some political analyses by people like Andrei Fursov, Mikhail Delyagin, Sergei Kurginyan, Maxim Kalashnikov, Alexander Prokhanov, and Mikhail Weller (I'm not sure if you read or understand Russian or not).
15 Mar 2012, 13:25
I totally agree with Soviet78, the modern Russia still lives from the soviet legacy and the russians are aware of that. That's why the majority of them deeply regrets the fall of the USSR. If you look at the statistics you will be able to see that all the numbers are favorably to the soviet side: standard of living, social equality (Gini coefficient), employment, economic growth, levels of corruption, etc... I haven't found yet a single indicator favorable to Russia post- USSR.
It's true that Putin brought stability to Russia after the stormy days of Yeltsin, reducing the unemployment, recovering the economic growth, among other accomplishments, nevertheless, he is very far away from reaching the quality levels of the soviet days. He is also responsible for maintaining a corrupted government of oligarchs who saw the soviet fall as a wonderful opportunity to enrich themselves. These are the same men who (along with Yeltsin) fooled the russian people with capitalist promises and fairy-tails with the complicity from the West in 1991. I still don't know the real figures about the support of the russian people towards the dissolution of the soviet system at the time.
There are few doubts about the fact that the breakup of the USSR was the biggest mistake of russian's history. In a fair election Putin would go to a 2nd round with Zyuganov and the communist party would have received much more than 20% of the votes in the last parliament elections. If they had 20% in a corrupted election now imagine in a clean election. This only proves that the only way the russian people have to take back the power from those corrupted oligarchs is through a new socialist revolution...
It's true that Putin brought stability to Russia after the stormy days of Yeltsin, reducing the unemployment, recovering the economic growth, among other accomplishments, nevertheless, he is very far away from reaching the quality levels of the soviet days. He is also responsible for maintaining a corrupted government of oligarchs who saw the soviet fall as a wonderful opportunity to enrich themselves. These are the same men who (along with Yeltsin) fooled the russian people with capitalist promises and fairy-tails with the complicity from the West in 1991. I still don't know the real figures about the support of the russian people towards the dissolution of the soviet system at the time.
There are few doubts about the fact that the breakup of the USSR was the biggest mistake of russian's history. In a fair election Putin would go to a 2nd round with Zyuganov and the communist party would have received much more than 20% of the votes in the last parliament elections. If they had 20% in a corrupted election now imagine in a clean election. This only proves that the only way the russian people have to take back the power from those corrupted oligarchs is through a new socialist revolution...
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